Chokes VS Strangles

**Ronin** · Posted On: 1/21/2004 8:50am

Hence my question...

**Shuma-Gorath** · Posted On: 1/21/2004 8:58am

Choking involves pain and slow suffocation more than immediate nervous shock, hence why someone on PCP/Coke will not feel a thing and most likely be seriously injured. PCP is especially bad for making people insensitive to the pain of straining against handcuffs, punching windshields and having their trachea crushed.

**Beatdown Richie** · Posted On: 1/21/2004 9:00am

> Chokes CRUSH the windpipe, I am not sure how
> you would keep fighting with a crushed windpipe.
Does anyone have reliable reports of the windpipe getting crushed from a choke using only the arms, not a baton or other tool? Or is this another myth?

> I would think that the strangle could cause blood to spurt which
> could lead to air bubbles in the blood flow causeing stroke/ heart attack.
Pray tell, where would the air come from?
Strangles have been found to be generally safe (judo people have looked into the matter for obvious reasons):
http://www.judoinfo.com/chokes2.htm

**Kempocos** · Posted On: 1/21/2004 9:07am

"Pray tell, where would the air come from?
Strangles have been found to be generally safe (judo people have looked into the matter for obvious reasons"

When blood spurts the break in the flow is considered an air bubble, remember the bloods purpose is to supply oxegyn to the body. A stoke is when the blood flow to the brain in interupted and a heart attack is when the flow to the heart is interupted. I pointed out the word could be cause the result is possable..

**Kempocos** · Posted On: 1/21/2004 9:11am

Also the is never a time that any type of KO is safe.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 1/21/2004 9:13am

Originally posted by Beatdown Richie
> Chokes CRUSH the windpipe, I am not sure how
> you would keep fighting with a crushed windpipe.
Does anyone have reliable reports of the windpipe getting crushed from a choke using only the arms, not a baton or other tool? Or is this another myth?

> I would think that the strangle could cause blood to spurt which
> could lead to air bubbles in the blood flow causeing stroke/ heart attack.
Pray tell, where would the air come from?
Strangles have been found to be generally safe (judo people have looked into the matter for obvious reasons):
http://www.judoinfo.com/chokes2.htm

Some police forces have banned the RNC ( the choke as depicted in the link above) for the very reason of having peoples windpipes crushed in the heat of the struggle.

**Shuma-Gorath** · Posted On: 1/21/2004 9:22am

Maybe it's because the officer could not apply it correctly and just held on until the suspect stopped struggling?

**Beatdown Richie** · Posted On: 1/21/2004 9:31am

> When blood spurts the break in the flow is considered an air bubble,
Nah. It's a closed system - no gas comes in. When blood doesn't flow, it just doesn't flow.

> remember the bloods purpose is to supply oxegyn to the body.
Remember that the oxygen delivered by the blood is chemically bound to red blood cells and not in the form of an air bubble of any kind. That would indeed be bad - it's similar to what happens when divers resurface without sufficient adaption to the pressure.

> A stoke is when the blood flow to the brain in interupted
> and a heart attack is when the flow to the heart is interupted.
and none of these have been observed in connection with stranges AFAIK. If you have evidence of it happening, please go ahead.

> I pointed out the word could be cause the result is possable..
in other words, it was pure speculation?

**Kempocos** · Posted On: 1/21/2004 9:34am

iIn the judo link it mentions the tests were done over 40 years ago. Information should have changed due to medical advances. It also says that it is not as bad as a boxing KO but does not say safe.

**Kempocos** · Posted On: 1/21/2004 9:54am

Richie , as in most discussions all possablities should be discussed to insure a proper outcome.

I agree with the closed system, however a gap in the flow will could cause seriuos damage. This is when the the hold maintained an dnot released after tap/ immediate black out.