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    No skill is a degree of skill, so I suppose you are right.

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    Your instructor can't teach you some basic ways of taking the back? Time to learn someplace else, young.


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    since hes bigger than you, youre not going to win by dirrectly opposing his force. make him work for you. this is what i would try...

    if you have overhooks, go for a snapdown. this should cause him to resist by lifting up with his body and trying to sit back. drop one of your elbows down inside his two arms, getting a transitional 2 on 1. the inside arm should be on his far elbow, the outside arm should be on his sameside tricep. put your weight completely on this arm and use it to spin your leg that has the tricep around to his back. now you have an arm and his back.

    for an over/underhook, just do the same thing, only sameside hand position should be on the wrist. inside hand still on the elbow. the important thing is to clear his arm by rotating it across your/his body. simple arm drag at this point.

    for both arms under, apply pressure towards him and down on his arms. he should fight you by doing the opposite, which is what you want. bring one of your arms down to his waist and use the other to keep his elbow up and simply step under it. you should now have a seatbelt on him. edit: duck under his last arm if you want to be totally behind him

    these are what works for me. i would never choke a bigger guy without taking out his base first though... there are so many more productive things that can be done.

    getting behind a guy should be the first thing you learn.
    Last edited by tiltpoint; 1/20/2004 5:40pm at .

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    and nah, the best thing to avoid locks is familiarity with locks...

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    For those curious:

    1 stone = 14 pounds

    so:

    18 stone = 252 pounds
    12 stone = 168 pounds
    Now or never.

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    use a firm deep voice and tell him to turn around and bend over.

    no seriously, try lifting his arm and ducking under to get his back.

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    if u r in a lock up position, lift his elbows, duck under, spin around, and u got his back, but dude if hes that much heavier than u itd be hard taking him down, maybe a standing rear naked choke?

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    panda, let me guess... theoretically...right?

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    Use a 2 on 1, maybe?...
    You want some birth control? You can smoke a cigarette.

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    I've had good luck with what's called a Russian tie or Russian arm drag. There's probably
    a picture somewhere, but it goes something like this:

    1) both hands on your opponent's arm
    2) drag the shoulder to you
    3) circle around behind

    It's one of those techniques that's simple in theory and practice. It has the benefit of even working sometimes as well.

    NOTE: I've never used it to move to a choke. I've gone to a gut wrench or tani otoshi instead.

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