I really think they need to specify that you can't score points for a takedown unless you actually go on to do something with it.
And points should also be scored for attempted subs perhaps?
That would fall under aggression.
OK, I was going to keep my mouth shut, but yes, I agree, total robbery.
Look at the two takedowns in Round 3. One was little more than a roll onto the mat. The second was a huge slam with power and dominate position. No way rounds 1 and 3 went to Hughes.
I think Sambo has a better idea.
Originally Posted by bornsceptic
There is a difference between dragging someone to the mat and slaming them there.
There is a big difference between a takedown where you end up in a control posiiton, and one where the second you hit it, your opponent escapes, or worse, reverses you.
I had Hughes barely winning the 3rd round until Serra scored that beautiful takedown. I could understand it going either way, but I thought Serra stole the 3rd round.
Judges may have given Hughes round 3 based on how one-sided round 2 was, rather than on anything that actually happened in round 3.
Originally Posted by Phrost
Originally Posted by Emevas
on the one hand, based on the fight i saw serra won 29-28.
on the other hand, i saw the fight i did because lavigne stood them up. had that 3rd round standup not happened serra would not have got the takedown.
this fight reminded me of cote/almeida.
Wasn't it Mazzagatti? While that's true, he didn't stand them up in the second round, until there was ten seconds left. So it cuts both ways as the second round was full of lnp.
the problem, as I see it, is that hardly any consideration is given to a sub that almost works, whereas a takedown that comes to nothing more than weak hammer fists from guard can win a round.
The reason I and I think everyone else here had serra winning round 3 was his omoplata attempt off of hughes' takedown and his own takedown at the end of the round. The judges seem to think that hughes' hammer fists were more signifigant.
I have seen guys lose rounds when they took a guy down and got him into side control, got stood up, then the other guy gets two takedowns but stalls out in gaurd. For all that it was the gracies that popularized the sport here in the US, it doesn't seem like the refs give two shits about good grappling (minus takedowns) if it doesn't end in a sub
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