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    You're seeing the cached image you intended to post, whereas everyone else is seeing a message from the Village Voice about going to their site to see the image.
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    Arthur Jones.

    RE: The olympic lifts, even at a light weight, it's still dangerous to do them for the high reps, as you are still trying to perform an explosive movement in a fatigued state.
    For real. A guy in my ARMA group who was a crossfit nut got stupidly injured during the fatigued oly lifts, and took many months to recover. The fact that he was intending it to be a strength program was even sillier.
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    Those two articles were a good read. I do agree with the exercise order in some of the workouts. I also do see the point about high rep Olympic lifts.

    Having said that, I think it's good to get ideas from CrossFit for your GPP but do mod it a bit. While it may be dumb to do 75 Snatches in a row, doing less complex lifts can be used. I like the thrusters and Sumo Deadlift high Pulls, things I haven't seen before CrossFit. I also like using Hang Cleans and Hang Clean & Presses for conditioning as they are less complex than the full cleans. Just some thoughts.

    Also, the article is right on about specific training, that athletes need to train specifically for their sport. That is why CrossFit is meant as an all around workout, it's not meant for specific athletes who need a customized program, despite what some of it's members say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIJoe6186 View Post
    Those two articles were a good read. I do agree with the exercise order in some of the workouts. I also do see the point about high rep Olympic lifts.

    Having said that, I think it's good to get ideas from CrossFit for your GPP but do mod it a bit. While it may be dumb to do 75 Snatches in a row, doing less complex lifts can be used. I like the thrusters and Sumo Deadlift high Pulls, things I haven't seen before CrossFit. I also like using Hang Cleans and Hang Clean & Presses for conditioning as they are less complex than the full cleans. Just some thoughts.

    Also, the article is right on about specific training, that athletes need to train specifically for their sport. That is why CrossFit is meant as an all around workout, it's not meant for specific athletes who need a customized program, despite what some of it's members say.
    I would suspect doing high-rep deadlifts would be equally injurious. These are all exercises traditionally used in a low-rep high-weight manner. Besides, do you really want to train your endurance for picking things up off the floor that badly? I mean, how many 'pick **** up from the ground' races are you going to face? Wouldn't it be better to be able to pick up heavier things more easily?

    To be honest, the sumo-dead-pulls I haven't seen elsewhere either, and I have seen some interesting things come out of that camp. I don't think they're the be-all-and-end-all of GPP or strength training but I like how willing they are to incorporate everything, technique and technology wise, into their training. That said I wouldn't sign up for any of their classes, even if there was a group operating in town (yo Alex, you said there were CrossFitters in Aus? I'm yet to hear of any, maybe they're not in my town...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emevas View Post
    Arthur Jones.

    RE: The olympic lifts, even at a light weight, it's still dangerous to do them for the high reps, as you are still trying to perform an explosive movement in a fatigued state.
    -Says who? What sport doesn't have you doing explosive movements in a fatigued state?
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    Also, if you watch some of the vids, some of the CrossFitters modify the Oly lifts in ht ehigh reps workouts. They don't do the jump in them. Some do it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoninPimp View Post
    -Says who? What sport doesn't have you doing explosive movements in a fatigued state?
    I was unaware that we were considering Crossfit to be a sport instead of a training protocol.

    Furthermore, are you saying that there is a zero percent rate of injury in sports that have you performing an explosive movement in a fatigued state? The fact that sports have you do this does not really mean it's a good idea, as many people get injured exactly from doing this, which is what you are trying to avoid in your training and conditioning protocol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emevas View Post
    I was unaware that we were considering Crossfit to be a sport instead of a training protocol.

    Furthermore, are you saying that there is a zero percent rate of injury in sports that have you performing an explosive movement in a fatigued state? The fact that sports have you do this does not really mean it's a good idea, as many people get injured exactly from doing this, which is what you are trying to avoid in your training and conditioning protocol.
    -Wasn't trying to say any of those things. All I was trying to say was that Oly lifts at high reps aren't anymore dangerous than the sports you would be using them to train for. Less imo.
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    Yes...but that's still a high degree of danger which one is generally trying to avoid during constant training that's sole purpose is to IMPROVE your physical performance rather than detract from it.

    If your training program is injurious, it takes away from your ability to train, rather than enhancing it. Taking 3-6 weeks off of rolling because you dislocated your shoulder doing 70 snatches is not at all beneficial to your training.

    Edit: Really, it's the same reason you don't see people advocating high rep deadlifts. With highly technical, full body lifts, form breakdown is a result of fatigue, and with form breakdown comes an increased risk of injury. Were we talking about bicep curls, it wouldn't really be of great concern, but it is the exact nature of these movements that makes them dangerous to perform well past exhaustion and in a fatigued state.
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