5/21/2009 3:08pm, #141
And I say this as I intend to go and bash my fists against a post later today.
5/21/2009 3:19pm, #142
Until we luck out and get an MD or an x-ray tech as a member, this will probably never be fiscally possible. And it's kind of hard to assemble it into a "before and after"
and then it's hard to establish causation, even in IP guys that only do one hand - it it the training, or just working out only with one hand?
5/21/2009 3:20pm, #143
5/21/2009 3:22pm, #144
5/21/2009 3:32pm, #145
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In regards to before and after, if the bone conditioning really is as effective as some say, then doctors might be able to compare a normal striker's bone density/strength to those who actively smash hands on concrete and other such extremes.
5/21/2009 3:46pm, #146
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5/21/2009 3:49pm, #148
yeah, but the individual starting point is gonna matter. If me and sirc posted our x-rays side by side and we told you I did iron palm, you'd all ooooo and ahhhh but I'm 8" taller then sirc - it would be bizzare if my finger bones weren't thicker.
In fact, that's an interesting question right there - small people that hit hard. If IP gives an average person, an (asspulled) 20% increase in bone "density" or bone "weight" or something - how does that average person at 120% compare to a person 20% bigger or smaller by birth? Is he now the EQUAL of a guy with 40 pounds on him? Is a smaller guy doomed to shattering bones if he tries to hit hard? Whiteshark is smaller then me, but he probably hits as hard or a little harder - why doesn't he need my size of bones to do that safely? A more radical example - Roy Jones Jr, Anderson Silva - these guys, by frame, have smaller bones then many, many people that could never throw a knockout punch. So what's going on there?
I'm of the personal belief that the architechtural structure of the hand and the properties of living bone are such that most people don't realize much benefit from striking objects. I don't think they are loading the bone enough to simulate weight lifting, I don't think they're micro-fracturing the bone enough then allowing enough healing to thicken it that way.
I think the increase they report comes from learning hitting technique, acclimation to pain, and gains associated with excercise.
There are so many questions of individual makeup that it's exhausting to try and isolate this training, but it interests me because it SO long running, SO prevelent, and so held in awe - particular vis a vis farcical demonstrations of "breaking power."
5/21/2009 3:55pm, #149
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5/21/2009 3:57pm, #150
so your actual belief, please correct me if I misspeak, I'm attempting to draw from your own words - your actual belief is that by dropping the hand relatively gently from a height of a few feet you are damaging it enough to thicken it or increase its weight?
Also which "camp" are you re doing this on one hand/both hands/etc?