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  1. Ike is offline

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    Re: Short Power

    I don't know... Perhaps it's more important with weapons (wutik vs lubtik), but it seems to me that he's emphasizing a moot point. Perhaps moot is the wrong word-- it could be more aptly practiced and explained using more standard striking technique and attribute training.

    But I dunno. I've never stabbed anyone in the face with a palmstick.

    As for the second video, it raised my eyebrow when he tried to illustrate "short power" by showing how inefficient it is to chamber one's hand back to the shoulder to punch, when, really, it's ineffecient to punch at all-- clinch up, headbutt, knee, elbow or anchor (like you dirty Silat guys do) and rabbit punch.

    That said, I have no idea who this man is. I haven't had enough exposure to his stuff. I'll take your word for it and look into it sometime.

    Jim: How is Manny Pacquio not the PM/Premier/President/Head of State of the Phillipines? I know he tried to run for mayor once, but the fervor with which his people love him these days, he could practically sway the masses into armed revolt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    Jim: How is Manny Pacquio not the PM/Premier/President/Head of State of the Phillipines? I know he tried to run for mayor once, but the fervor with which his people love him these days, he could practically sway the masses into armed revolt.
    I'm a mad Manny fan & I approve this message...
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

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    Anyone here actually seen the atienza videos? i've heard good things, and I like the quality of their movment, but there are definitely people who I think are skilled that aren't skilled at making an instructional in dvd format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfcritical View Post
    Anyone here actually seen the atienza videos? i've heard good things, and I like the quality of their movment, but there are definitely people who I think are skilled that aren't skilled at making an instructional in dvd format.
    I've got the "Discipline of the Blade", "Single Sword Evolution", "Blade Simulator" dvds. It's basically a feeder system, similar to Sayoc. Seems like a good system, strongly blade oriented. They prefer aluminum trainers & protective clothing to give a real blade feel.
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
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    Cool. I do a very Blade-y style, and their body mechanics look similar to ours (although something about the way they demonstrate the tip-down backhand deflection looks odd to me)

    Also, "Single Sword Evolution" was the only one where i got a good idea of what was covered from the trailer. What do the rest go over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfcritical View Post
    Cool. I do a very Blade-y style, and their body mechanics look similar to ours (although something about the way they demonstrate the tip-down backhand deflection looks odd to me)

    Also, "Single Sword Evolution" was the only one where i got a good idea of what was covered from the trailer. What do the rest go over?
    The Blade Simulator was kind of entry level training demo stuff, why they use aluminum trainers and other stuff, while showing the effects of some of the typical short range cuts used in Atienza, whether short snappy cuts or fully wound up power cuts, using them on a pig leg & using them on a padded opponent. The Discipline of the Blade was more of an intro to the family history and the brothers themselves, they demo a little of the art and talk about both the philosophy of the art and their own individual styles of operating within the parameters of the system, their own expressions of the art. You definitely get a good feel for the individual personalities of all the brothers. The Single Sword Evolution is probably the most informative vid on Atienza Kali if you ALREADY practice FMA. You know how they have their own feeder system:"When you perform this cut, we KNOW the defender will use this defensive movement, so after we perform the initial attack we then immediately attack the space where he will most likely be..." I think that there are some initial assumptions that may not be all that reliable, but it is well thought out.
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

    "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
    ~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
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    Hrm. Unfortunately, socal puts you out of DVD borrowing range from me :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfcritical View Post
    Hrm. Unfortunately, socal puts you out of DVD borrowing range from me :)
    Are you: 1) Out of range of the U.S. Mail? or 2) So dishonorable that you wouldn't send them back to me IF I sent them to you to preview? If neither of these apply, PM me! ; )
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

    "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
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    Am I the only one who looks at kelly worden and thinks "When did Kenny Rogers start Chunning?"
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