Judo.

**ChickenBeakFist** · Posted On: 5/15/2009 2:36pm

Originally Posted by CrackFox

Curled up on your knees and elbows, holding on to your lapels, with your head tucked tightly, waiting for the ref to stand you up.

That description becomes so much better if I read it in the voice of Rorschach

"Uke will shout 'Stand us!' And I will whisper, 'No...'"

**Carlos13th** · Posted On: 5/15/2009 2:38pm

Originally Posted by CrackFox

Curled up on your knees and elbows, holding on to your lapels, with your head tucked tightly, waiting for the ref to stand you up.

Thank you crack fox. They must suck during neiwaza (sp?)

**Breakfast Fox** · Posted On: 5/15/2009 3:49pm

I take the turtle as a personal insult, it helps me apply turnovers much more enthusiastically.

**Mtripp** · Posted On: 5/15/2009 3:56pm

FYI:

1. At my Uncles dojo, if you turtled, he would run on the mat and stomp on your head.

2. In a contest, if you are behind on the score, DO NOT GO AFTER THE TURTLE. Stand up and go for a bigger score. However, if you are ahead, attack the turtle.

In Judo the turtle is a bit of "gamesmanship" that I feel has no place other than learning how to deal with it.

**3moose1** · Posted On: 5/15/2009 4:02pm

Why don't you just put your hooks in?

If you work for it, you'll see ways to entangle yo'self.

**ChickenBeakFist** · Posted On: 5/15/2009 4:03pm

Originally Posted by Mtripp

In Judo the turtle is a bit of "gamesmanship" that I feel has no place other than learning how to deal with it.

I confess to using it here and there to bait someone into getting rolled into a pin. But using it out of timidity I would agree is strictly for wimps

**1point2** · Posted On: 5/15/2009 4:10pm

Originally Posted by 3moose1

Why don't you just put your hooks in?

If you work for it, you'll see ways to entangle yo'self.

I put my hooks in and I still need a choke within 5 to 10 seconds in tournament. I do it, but rear mount is not valued in competition. Nor is it valued in many dojos--many judoka value the turnover much, much more.

**3moose1** · Posted On: 5/15/2009 4:15pm

See, i train in superior Brazilian Jiu jitsu. We don't have those silly stand up rules.

Kidding.

Anyway, I much prefer mount, over back mount. I just have an easier time submitting, for some reason.

Try this:

Get rear mount, and flatten them out ASAP. The way i was taught, by my first coach, was to "superman" Ie, straighten your legs, and force your hips into their back. This should put them flat on their tummy.

From here, its easier to work the turn over. (in my experience) and can help get the choke.

**Zapruder** · Posted On: 5/15/2009 4:15pm

Originally Posted by Sarcastro

And finally, we'll learn a choreographed ballet number and have it judged by ballet teachers to see who did it best. Winner takes all.

Nothing screams manly like leaping in tights. Throw in a deepthroat competition and it will rival the things I saw in NOLA for the Hedonism festival.

(edit:my timing is horrendous)

**1point2** · Posted On: 5/15/2009 4:27pm

Originally Posted by 3moose1

See, i train in superior Brazilian Jiu jitsu. We don't have those silly stand up rules.

Kidding.

Anyway, I much prefer mount, over back mount. I just have an easier time submitting, for some reason.

Try this:

Get rear mount, and flatten them out ASAP. The way i was taught, by my first coach, was to "superman" Ie, straighten your legs, and force your hips into their back. This should put them flat on their tummy.

From here, its easier to work the turn over. (in my experience) and can help get the choke.

...I know.