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  1. honest_truth is offline

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    When do you start considering medical attention

    Just wanted to know if any of you have specific mental guidelines you follow when you decide if something is a typical "just rest it" injury or a "go to a doctor" type.

    This question came to me recently when i took some full contact shots to the elbow from the side while covering the side of my head (classic boxing style). For a couple of days i could barely extend my arm and felt it at the bone so i thought it MIGHT be serious, but i dont want to be the kid running to the health centre for every injury i get.

    So when do you justify a trip to the doc ?
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    If it might be serious, I go. I mean, I’m in Canada, it doesn’t cost me anything, and it might save me from letting serious trouble get worse and **** me up. Why would I not go unless I’m sure it’s nothing serious?

    Obviously, people who have to pay for private health care may need to do a more conservative cost/benefit analysis, but it looks like you’re also in Canada...
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    Posted On:
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    When do you start considering medical attention
    Just wanted to know if any of you have specific mental guidelines you follow when you decide if something is a typical "just rest it" injury or a "go to a doctor" type.

    This question came to me recently when i took some full contact shots to the elbow from the side while covering the side of my head (classic boxing style). For a couple of days i could barely extend my arm and felt it at the bone so i thought it MIGHT be serious, but i dont want to be the kid running to the health centre for every injury i get.

    So when do you justify a trip to the doc ?
    ^^Normally when this happens.

    If I question the recovery I go see the doctor.
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    Honestly, I google. And usually find something like, "if symptoms persist for more than 2-3 days, see a doctor." Or sometimes just "go see a doctor."
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    Posted On:
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    for most things, you just need to rest it. there isn't much more you can do than I.C.E. and the doc will tell you that.

    sometimes, things are a little beyond that. so a small tale of caution:

    once i broke my hand at training, but didn't realise it was broken for about 3 months because there was nothing poking out or looking out of place. i'd just tape it up and roll, basically only using my right hand as a hook.

    i got an x-ray 3 months in because i still couldn't close my hand and was getting worried. it was healed kinda funny with a piece of bone floating around in there by itself. the specialist told me that i could get it back to normal by stretching the tendons around the deformity.

    almost a year after injury and lots of stretching, i could make a fist again.
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  7. honest_truth is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petter View Post
    If it might be serious, I go. I mean, I’m in Canada, it doesn’t cost me anything, and it might save me from letting serious trouble get worse and **** me up. Why would I not go unless I’m sure it’s nothing serious?

    Obviously, people who have to pay for private health care may need to do a more conservative cost/benefit analysis, but it looks like you’re also in Canada...
    True, but as you probably know, they dont treat you like a paying customer.

    I went to a doctor once complaining about severe hand pain, told her of my problems and symptoms and where i could have gotten it, said that i fear i might have a chipped bone because even jabs would hurt badly. Asked her if she can do an X-ray check.

    she refused to do an x-ray, without even examining or LOOKING at my hand, decided i have something else relating to tendons or cartilage, said i am guaranteed to get arthritis and sent me away for expensive physiotherapy.

    When i asked her if i can do something to help my hand, she said "quit boxing"

    Thats another reason i am reluctant to visit GP's, they act like a bunch of cocky asswipes who really dont bother checking you sometimes and give advise that captain obvious would face_palm

    How easy is it to have a sports doctor check you up instead ?
    i am not planning on quitting anytime soon, sorry.

    So i will go in for training tomorrow and see how i feel, if it gets bad i will let my trainer in on this and ask if he knows who or what could help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honest_truth View Post
    True, but as you probably know, they dont treat you like a paying customer.
    I hear this from so many people, but I never seem to get this superior attitude from doctors. Maybe it’s that I come off very clearly as an intellectual who expects to know what’s going on—I wouldn’t let a doctor treat me without explaining what’s wrong and what the treatment is supposed to do. I recognise that they are medical experts and I am not, but I never, ever allow anyone to treat me as though I were stupid or ignorant. And like I said, I am obviously of an intellectual bent, far more than most (whether or not that reflects a similar difference in intelligence is beside the point); maybe that’s why I am treated better than others I talk to...

    Sometimes doctors do treat me in an awful rush, this is true, but then they do tend to have very busy work hours. I think what the medical system really needs is to force (really, provide incentive for) doctors to spend more time with each patient. A system that rewards doctors for processing as many patients per hour as possible does not encourage them to establish a relationship with, let alone educate their patients.

    But I’m in Vancouver—my health care is fully covered, and there are enough clinics around that if somebody treats me in a manner I’m not satisfied with, I’ll just go elsewhere next time. I am a paying customer (via taxes, in this case), and as such I have—and exercise—the ability to take my business elsewhere if I am unhappy.

    FWIW, on the flip side, there are serious problems with taking the “paying customer” mentality too far and not respecting medical expert authority—witness the ludicrous overprescription of antibiotics, including for viral conditions upon patient insistance, and the public health issues this causes via bacterial resistance: Here is an issue where we would all be much better off if people just accepted their doctors’ authority.

    ...Well, this turned into a lengthy rant. I’ve thought a great deal about this lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honest_truth View Post
    How easy is it to have a sports doctor check you up instead?
    I have no idea, but it would probably be a good idea to research it. Never mind whether your current issue requires attention: If you keep training you may well end up in a situation where it would be a really good idea to already know where to find a good sports doctor, and to know what your insurance options look like. Why not start looking now?

    Come to think of it, once I’m over this month’s health disaster and hit the gym again, I should do the same. Can’t hurt to be prepared.
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  10. Foolish is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petter View Post
    And like I said, I am obviously of an intellectual bent, far more than most (whether or not that reflects a similar difference in intelligence is beside the point); maybe that’s why I am treated better than others I talk to...
    Other than wearing a sweater vest and really thick glasses how exactly does someone go about looking more "intellectual" than most?
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