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  1. lklawson is offline

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    Iron Shirt training, WMA style

    Body/Skin toughening by O'Brien in his '28 manual:
    Get tincture of benzoin and paint your feet
    with it. This serves to toughen the skin of the
    feet and helps avoid blisters, soft corns, etc.
    Use rubbing-alcohol, obtainable in any drugstore,
    to harden the face and hands. It is a mistake
    to think that pure alcohol is better than this
    rubbing-alcohol for external use. The whole
    body can be toughened by washing the skin
    twice daily with a saturated solution of salt.
    Dip a sponge in a tub containing the salt solution
    and rub your skin with it. Use sea-salt, obtainable
    in any drug-store.

    Peace favor your sword,
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    Any personal experiences with this kind of thing?
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    I was just thinking too myself, "The central trauma I endure in the martial arts is irritated skin. I wish there was an ancient remedy for that"
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    Iron Shirt/Golden Bell has nothing to do with this, seriously.
    You are supposed to use Dit Da Jow after training to get a tougher body.I too, haven't heard anything about this.
    Although, of what i know from my chemistry teacher, if you use alcohol on your hands too much, then your hands get less responcive to bacteria, infections, germs etc.
    Bah, i wouldn't suggest following that source, mate.
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    They were less worried about skin irritations than about toughening their skin against lacerations and blisters that could interfere with their ability to fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CodosDePiedra View Post
    Any personal experiences with this kind of thing?
    Following Edwards advice for toughening the skin of the knuckles, which is similar to this, I used a salt-brine (super-saturated salt solution) on my knuckles of my left hand, leaving the right as a "control." I ran the experiment for about 3 weeks, ims.

    I saw what I considered minor increases in skin toughness.

    If I were a period professional boxer, particularly in Bare Knuckle, where even the smallest advantage is still an exploitable advantage, I would consider this treatment as part of my standard regiment. As an amateur hobbiest, it wasn't worth my time to continue. Painting it on after bag work was easy enough, but maintaining my supply, changing it semi-regularly, heck even finding a place to store it (on top of the fridge) were all minor hassles. Just didn't seem like enough bang for the buck.

    Maybe I just didn't keep at it long enough or maybe I should try some of the other treatments like rubbing alcohol, rosin, or tannin. I don't think I want it bad enough to try urine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFasm4 View Post
    Iron Shirt/Golden Bell has nothing to do with this, seriously.
    It's just a subject intended to convey the basic topic of the post (hence the term "subject") and induce you to read it. Worked didn't it?

    You are supposed to use Dit Da Jow after training to get a tougher body.
    And for any number of other reasons from "circulating Chi" to healing injuries. Lots of different kinds of Jow.

    For minor skin injuries, the WMA "jow" I use most often is Witch-Hazel.

    I too, haven't heard anything about this.
    Hey, glad I could help. :)

    Although, of what i know from my chemistry teacher, if you use alcohol on your hands too much, then your hands get less responcive to bacteria, infections, germs etc.
    Bah, i wouldn't suggest following that source, mate.
    I'm not suggesting anyone do anything. I posted this for historical interest. If someone wants to try it, fine. If they don't, fine.

    Peace favor your sword,
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCache View Post
    I was just thinking too myself, "The central trauma I endure in the martial arts is irritated skin. I wish there was an ancient remedy for that"

    In his book, Jack Dempsey "The Manassa Mauler,” Randy Roberts writes:
    “At 11 he was bathing his face and hands in beef brine, giving them a leather-like texture,” and chewing pine resin to add strength to his jaw."
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    So? What's your point? Jack Dempsey was not a scientist?
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    No one is sure what "Beef Brine" is for sure. It could be a tannin heavy solution or it could be simply a super-saturated salt solution, hence the term "brine." Both were fairly standard for pugilistic skin toughening.

    Peace favor your sword,
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