Thread: Question for sambosteve
5/14/2009 10:38am, #31
really, its subjective. For me, the hungrier the n00b is for subs and victory, the less I'm interested in teaching him subs. I hate seeing people get hurt because they don't know what they're doing or have something to prove.
Beyond attitude adjustment, just getting to where you are comfortable and aware of whats going on. In the striking example* it would be like teaching a good jab+cross combo but no footwork, no head movement, no weave etc etc.
I've always enforced a 20-40 minute Ukemi/breakfall warmup: I've seen how much strength development, confidence/feeling of safety, injury prevention et al comes along with as a sidebar to learning to move well.
Originally Posted by Whiteshark
I like to think of the whole movement as a pendulum...
*ha! I haz teh pun!Many things we do naturally become difficult only when we try to make them intellectual subjects. It is possible to know so much about a subject that you become totally ignorant.
-Mentat Text Two (dicto)
5/14/2009 12:28pm, #32
NY Combat Sambo
- Join Date
- Feb 2006
- combat sambo
As a general rule in our club, we have 3 month bracket system with our classes. Under three months training we have ceratin classes available Fundamentals, some subs, striking), after three months more classes are available to the student, after another 3 months some more, and after one year, more. We work our way up from fundamentals level classes, to classes that are throwing intensive after three months, and classes which combine ranges (striking, throwing, grappling) after another another three months, and our "advanced class" after one year. But, all level classes involve movement and positional drilling...so we never stop that. When I allow noobs to free roll with subs is decided individually...depends on many factors like self control, ability to listen to coaching, etc.
5/28/2009 9:04am, #33
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- Jul 2008
I used to do "no sub rolling" when I first started BJJ. I was with people who were also knew, and our instructor had us attempting to pass guard, pass half-guard, attain mount etc. We would start in certain positions, and then try to escape them. Once the guard was passed (or whatever) we would re-start. Subs were allowed, but usually only useful for the defending player.
I liked these drills quite a bit. If you roll starting from half-guard, you get pretty decent at dealing with half-guard (or whichever position we are using for that day). I wish we did some of that at my current gym, instead of just pure rolling all the time.
5/28/2009 1:42pm, #34
6/01/2009 10:50am, #35
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- Jan 2009
A delayed thank you for the informative response.
6/10/2009 5:02pm, #36
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- Sep 2007
- Morehead Ky
- Catch as Catch Can
5/01/2010 10:36am, #37
5/01/2010 5:48pm, #38
In the FWIW category, Phil Cardella (my jiu jitsu instructor) emphasizes teaching positions, transitions and defenses against subs before he starts teaching noobs a lot of subs. Of course, the noobs have to learn a few basic subs in order to learn how to defend against them, but the emphasis at first is on just getting comfortable with rolling with someone.
White Shark, I think I get what your saying about grappling v.s. striking in terms of flow and movement, but I disagree with you a bit. Maybe it's been such a long time since you were a noob that you can't remember how awkward it was to try and move with someone in some sort of coordinated manner. Think about distance and timing. That is all about flow. Noobs have to learn this from the ground up and it is also the first thing that one loses when one isn't training with a partner on a regular basis. This is why I like to start noobs out with no contact sparring (yeah, I know, "no contact sparring is for pussies"). I like to get noobs to focus on just moving with an opponent rather than focusing on trying to land hits, working on timing and distance without the stress of worrying about getting hit and or trying to smash the other guy. Once they develop timing and distance, then they can start to worry about landing shots.