So, basically, you say it's unwise for anyone to trust pieces of paper, but you want us to trust your techniques and training on the basis of your diplomas. In other words, pieces of paper mean nothing unless they're yours.
Originally Posted by sten
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just reading what you wrote.
See, pieces of paper are really the core of the problem here. I don't know if you've been following the Matthew Morton thread - Mathew Morton - No BS Martial Arts - but he used those silly little pieces of paper to justify a certain level of quality. And paper wouldn't be such a big deal here, except that teachers use these to sell students on their qualifications. Qualifications that, as you said, can only be tested in person.
The crux of the issue, however, is that a new student who is untrained or inexperienced has no means of accurately judging your skill. You can do cartwheel kicks and all that and wow the student, but he isn't sold on the validity of the technique. He is sold based on your conviction in it and his own ignorance.
Bullshido's intention is to make sure that stuff like that doesn't happen. It's not perfect, but it's not too shabby. And, oh yeah, DarkPhoenix said he'd drop by if he could.
DeRenzo, you still don't get it. Those little pieces of paper are used daily to cheat people out of money and the unfortunate by product is that they get subpar training and released into the world.
You were asked what qualifies you to teach and you refused. Members including myself made a comment about a video YOU posted and demanded who are we to judge. We in turn said prove you know what you are talking about.
Mr. Popkins is rightly upset and I don't blame him if he is.
I am going to suspend judgement and stay quiet about this until after Dark visits your school and gives his report and I would suggest you should do the same.
Originally Posted by catfishaggie
So, if those little pieces of paper are not indicative of a good teacher, why does everyone here insist on them? If you want to know , get off your butt and take a look. Otherwise , Shut Up. Let's look at what you wrote. You say I was asked what qualifies me to teach and I refused. what to you want me to show you over a keyboard? Come and see for yourself. No one is going to force me to do anything. If your "judge" that is coming to visit is respectful, he will see for himself. Should my school be judged on his opinion? should anyone's? As to being quiet, that is a good idea for you to do. When you have my level of experience and training, then I might listen to you, otherwise, kep it to yourself. I am tired of listening to whiners.
Ummm yo tough guy there are people here with your level of experience who support transparency... news flash. One such person got dragged into this by your lack thereof....
Originally Posted by sten
Like I said before Sten, I am going to suspend judgement until after I hear what Dark has to say even though you are nothing but a low life carpetbagging piece of ****.
Hahahahaha thanks. I knew you were a hypocrite.
Originally Posted by sten
Come to my school.
Watch me teach.
See my certificates.
Don't judge me until you do.
OMG no you can't judge me by visiting a class, seeing a certificate or by watching me teach./Doug Derenzo
Let me guess, your next excuse will be, they must stay with you at least 10 years before making a comment.
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Mr. DeRenzo, you are right - paper is meaningless. I've known many many instructors in my 30 years in the martial arts who never received a piece of paper with a promotion - just a belt and some other gift. For conversation's sake, who have you trained with, in what, and for how long? I'm not judging you based on your videos.
I truly don't understand your reluctance to discuss your training history. The fact that you are so reluctant to talk about it just doesn't make any sense from a commercial, recruiting standpoint. Unfortunately this thread will pop up on internet searches, for better or worse. It would be a shame for a prospective student to bypass your school because of the red flag that is prominently waving because of your reluctance.
After the Mukashi website, this thread appears TWICE in a row in a Google search (Search for "Doug Derenzo"). This is usually what happens when someone drags their own investigation on and on. Like Jeff said there should be no reason anyone would not want to discuss their training history. I'm quite frank about it and you've seen other people be up front about it.
Originally Posted by Jeff C.
"The pedant is he who finds it impossible to read criticism of himself without immediately reaching for his pen and replying to the effect that the accusation is a gross insult to his person. He is, in effect, a man unable to laugh at himself."
, The Ego and the Id
There is a reason not to discuss your training. No, I'm not talking Black Ops and top secret things either.
Originally Posted by danniboi07
"I swore oaths to protect innocents. I intend to keep them. Feel free to visit me if you want."
Oath to who?
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