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  1. WingChun Lawyer is offline
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    The Dragon Ball training principle

    I know some jujutsu people here in Brazil who sometimes go to the beach with their gi, enter the water and train striking, throwing and groundfighting with their gis soaking wet (and obviously heavy like hell) - outside the water, of course.

    They like it a lot. Never did it myself: it does sound a lot like the dragon ball training principle (train with lots of weight, and remove the weight when actually fighting).

    What do you guys think about this? Sounds useful or stupid to you?
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    sounds like a nice way to get sand in your crack !
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    ...which is why I never wento for it, no matter how many times they invited me. But what do you think of the principle? (i.e. training with a lot of weight)
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    I think it's a good idea for strength training. But may have some adverse effects on your technique when you take the weights off because you will feel lighter and unatural.
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    A while back, when I was doing some weight training research, I found some articles about sport specific weight training. Using a heavy bat for baseball or weighted racket for tennis for example. They discovered that there was no correlation between those exercises and improvement in performance. You just got better at swinging a heavy bat or racket. Those jujitsu people are getting really good at fighting in the water and with heavy gis. I'm sure it probably helps their cardio though. I'll look for the supporting research again and post it if I can find it.
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    Originally posted by strats36
    A while back, when I was doing some weight training research, I found some articles about sport specific weight training. Using a heavy bat for baseball or weighted racket for tennis for example. They discovered that there was no correlation between those exercises and improvement in performance. You just got better at swinging a heavy bat or racket. Those jujitsu people are getting really good at fighting in the water and with heavy gis. I'm sure it probably helps their cardio though. I'll look for the supporting research again and post it if I can find it.
    Actually that´s what I thought, but I have no way to prove it either way.

    But it´s probably great for cardio, though.
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    Originally posted by Osiris
    Isnt the gi heavy enough? Isnt that one of its purposes? If not, it sure as hell seems so.
    They train with judo gis (they practice throwing too). It is heavy, of course, but I believe it gets at least twice as heavy when wet.
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    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
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    Our master Caesar is in the tent
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    I have heard talk of benefits of training in the pool/water, but not soaking your gi to make it heavier.
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    Originally posted by Punisher
    I have heard talk of benefits of training in the pool/water, but not soaking your gi to make it heavier.
    Well, I suppose you can´t train striking techniques effectively in the water, and they do train them in their wet gis. Full contact, actually.
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    Its great battle lost,
    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
    To a distant post;
    Our master Caesar is in the tent
    Where the maps are spread,
    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
    A hand under his head.


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    i know a fireball version of heng quan.
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