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    Quote Originally Posted by 1point2 View Post
    Isshinryu varies wildly and I don't recommend it as a rule. I'll give you that much.

    Beyond that you can eat a dick, you ignorant punk.
    Isshinryu varies wildly in the same way poor, poor Dr. Bristol discovered the consistency of stools varied wildly. Either way it doesn't matter since apparently I'm both ignorant and completely right.
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    like seriously how tragic is it when your art's defining quality is punching like Wing Chun but, somehow, with an even more gimmicky fist?
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    like seriously how tragic is it when your art's defining quality is punching like Wing Chun but, somehow, with an even more gimmicky fist?
    The vertical fist is considered the sole defining quality by those not very well acquainted with the style. In fact Tatsuo switched back and forth numerous times during his teaching career, since he was undecided about it. The defining qualities are supposed to include the upright stance, focus on stand-up infighting, low kicks, vertical fist and double-bone blocks. Big deal.

    You're pissing on a clay statue you've made of Isshinryu, thinking I'll be offended. But your conception of Isshinryu isn't mine, and even if it was, I'm not particularly attached to it. I just think you're a moron who is preoccupied with conflating your small negative experience with all the negative ideation you have of karate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1point2 View Post
    The vertical fist is considered the sole defining quality by those not very well acquainted with the style. In fact Tatsuo switched back and forth numerous times during his teaching career, since he was undecided about it. The defining qualities are supposed to include the upright stance, focus on stand-up infighting, low kicks, vertical fist and double-bone blocks. Big deal.
    Look, the fundamental problems with 90% of karate go way beyond petty cosmetic **** like "a slightly more narrow horse stance" or "slightly turning your forearm in a different way when throwing horrible worthless chambered blocks". The problem is a universally prickish, condescending attitude towards sparring, archaic training methods, creating an "infighting" system with zero clinchwork, silly lineage wars, and an obsession with minutiae absolutely irrelevant towards fighting. And a weird, Final Fantasy-style approach to "discovering" new techniques out of bunkai. And the chambered punches. And the crescent step. And the wide, loopy blocks.

    You're pissing on a clay statue you've made of Isshinryu, thinking I'll be offended. But your conception of Isshinryu isn't mine, and even if it was, I'm not particularly attached to it. I just think you're a moron who is preoccupied with conflating your small negative experience with all the negative ideation you have of karate.
    Granted, I haven't wasted half my life on Isshin-Ryu like you apparently have, but that's really more to my credit than yours. If after two years I couldn't find a single Isshin-Ryu student willing to spar with me there's a substantial fucking problem that goes way beyond wishy-washy "well sir that's your opinion and you're entitled to it".
    Captain's Log: Just a little update for all my TRUE and HONEST friends out there:

    1) I am STRAIGHT! I am STRAIGHT! Get it through your thick skulls, numbskulls!

    2) My name is not Ian Brandon Something.

    3) Kacey is coming with me now. I have stolen her from the other Christian Weston Chandler.

    REMINDER: I am still the one and only true creator of sonichu and rosechu electric hedgehog pokemon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyd View Post
    Look, the fundamental problems with 90% of karate go way beyond petty cosmetic **** like "a slightly more narrow horse stance" or "slightly turning your forearm in a different way when throwing horrible worthless chambered blocks". The problem is a universally prickish, condescending attitude towards sparring, archaic training methods, creating an "infighting" system with zero clinchwork, silly lineage wars, and an obsession with minutiae absolutely irrelevant towards fighting. And a weird, Final Fantasy-style approach to "discovering" new techniques out of bunkai. And the chambered punches. And the crescent step. And the wide, loopy blocks.
    I agree on every single one of those points.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boyd View Post
    Granted, I haven't wasted half my life on Isshin-Ryu like you apparently have, but that's really more to my credit than yours. If after two years I couldn't find a single Isshin-Ryu student willing to spar with me there's a substantial fucking problem that goes way beyond wishy-washy "well sir that's your opinion and you're entitled to it".
    I read your story and know Isshinryu schools like that. In my lineage. It saddens me. But I and a substantial crew at my school like to spar and crapple, and I'm cross-training judo in order to get teh real clinch.

    What I'm trying to say is that I'm working on it.
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    why do people "cross train and crapple"

    why don't they go to a good school instead? Is it like staying with a lady who you once found lovely but now hate, for the children?
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    why do people "cross train and crapple"

    why don't they go to a good school instead? Is it like staying with a lady who you once found lovely but now hate, for the children?
    I'm an instructor; I have the opportunity to change things for the better. I revived a semi-dormant newaza tradition, and am working to move things towards what I think is valuable and useful. It's not all about me and my training--I want to bring understanding to other students there.

    In a way it's a little crazy.
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    Wait.

    You're teaching grappling?


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    Why do people instruct crappling instead of getting some real help? Is it like when you hate your spouse but stay in the relationship for the sake of your children?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehogey
    Wait.

    You're teaching grappling?
    I see that glint in your eye. Let me explain; I'll try not to get defensive and I'll try to answer all your questions.

    My lineage is: Tatsuo Shimabuku, Don Nagle, Dale Jenkins, Salvatore Musco, Maurey Levitz, me.

    Dale Jenkins was a judo shodan instructor before he started doing karate. His association was called the Judo Karate Kai and gave rank in both judo and karate for a time, before he just gave rank in karate but continued teaching judo as a portion of the (integrated) karate classes. He taught a full curriculum, did randori in class, etc.

    Mr. Jenkins' student, Mr. Musco (as well as others), continued this tradition until the association banned tachiwaza randori due to injuries (guh). Newaza randori became less prevalent (but remained) and standard practice for throws was mostly compliant drills.

    My teacher followed Mr. Musco's lead, teaching mostly compliant drills for standup (about 10 basic throws) in addition to pins (kesagatame, katagatame, mount), locks (haragatame, jujigatame), and chokes (RNC, sangaku and cross-collar mostly). Newaza randori was infrequent but present.

    I teach at my teacher's school. I increased the frequency of the newaza randori, and a few others added to the technical aspects (an ex-college-and-state-level-wrestler with some judo experience is an instructor, for instance).

    As for crappling--we do what we do, and I believe that it's legitimate (via lineage, and through practice) although inferior. When I went to my judo dojo, I started with a leg up on newaza. My top game sucked (still does), my guard passing sucked (still does), but I had a foundation of submissions, submission defense, and positional comprehension. Maybe equivalent to a year of judo (groundwork only, of course), from what I see at my judo dojo (Ulster Budokai, run by Mark Roosa, 6th dan Kodokan, trains state level competitors).

    You can see my competition footage after 2 weeks of judo at 1point2 @ West Point Judo NOOBERY - No BS Martial Arts which very definitively shows I am a noob, especially in the clinch. You can also see my honest deconstruction, wherein I address some of the Bullshido concepts, here: Post-1st-Judo-Tournament (Loss) Deconstruction - No BS Martial Arts

    Do we teach grappling? Some, yes. Do we say we teach judo (or BJJ or anything else)? NO. We say that we do a lot of groundwork for a karate school, and that although we don't give rank or compete in judo, we do a fair number of techniques from judo. That's it. I'm just trying to bring the technical level of the school up, and that includes our groundwork.
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