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    Quote Originally Posted by BJMills View Post
    Here's the problem with that argument. You've shown 2 videos, both put up by Silat guys, both with the variation of the theme 'Silat destroys BJJ.' yet in neither video did the 'bjj' guys demonstrate any measure of bjj skill.
    This sounds extremely familiar, yet backwards. Did I **** up the Timestream?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    This sounds extremely familiar, yet backwards. Did I **** up the Timestream?
    Blame Looper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJMills View Post
    Here's the problem with that argument. You've shown 2 videos, both put up by Silat guys, both with the variation of the theme 'Silat destroys BJJ.' yet in neither video did the 'bjj' guys demonstrate any measure of bjj skill.

    On the contrary there are copious amounts of videos both amateur and professional of bjj guys fighting effectively.

    What we don't see are copious amounts of videos with Silat guys fighting effectively.

    I appreciate that you are trying to present video evidence, since that is what we are asking, but try to objectively look at the quality of your evidence. Compare it to other videos out there and tell me if you think it is an honest assessment of a competent bjj guy.

    BJJ guys do lose fights. King Mo KO'd Roger Gracie in their strikeforce fight with superior stand up skills and the wrestling ability to dictate where the fight took place. Roger is world class, so no one is saying bjj is unbeatable.

    But it's a mistake to pretend the fighters in those videos are valid representations of bjj and- by proxy- that the Silat guys beating them are effective fighters.

    If someone told you the silat guys in those videos were wing Chun guys or ninjutsu guys would you still hold them up as examples of effective fighting skills?

    Yeah, why not, he successfully defends himself and knocked down his opponent.
    If you think that the bjj guy is not valid representation of the art that's fine.
    I can understand that reaction. ;) I respect both arts.
    I was just trying to post some decent silat videos I could find.
    Unfortunately the one I posted happened to be bjj vs silat.
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    and still doesn't give us an indication that there is ANY silat that doesn't suck.

    btw the colonial bs is just to troll you, why do you take the bait without even getting decent arguments?

    colonialism sucks, besides, the dutch are generally accepted to be the rudest among the europeans. their women are ugly, their food is horrible, they have no culture and they are usually big, loud and ugly.
    but they brought us dutch kickboxing, so we forgive them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakuma View Post
    Yeah, why not, he successfully defends himself and knocked down his opponent.
    If you think that the bjj guy is not valid representation of the art that's fine.
    I can understand that reaction. ;) I respect both arts.
    I was just trying to post some decent silat videos I could find.
    Unfortunately the one I posted happened to be bjj vs silat.
    First, I'm not a bjj guy, so I have no dog in that particular fight.

    Here's my question, do you think the bjj guy in either of the videos posted is a valid representation of the style?

    Not even accounting for professional fighters, take a look at footage from local tournaments, even no gi tournaments since in both cases you posted no one was wearing a gi.

    And on another note, do you think either silat fighter in the videos you posted represents decent silat? What about the way either man moved outside of 'they beat generic bjj guy' looked like skilled or polished fighting? Or even silat?
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    Your entire colonization was failed.
    yeah its true, we only been there for four centuries..

    You failed to convert them.
    to what?!

    Noone speaks Dutch in Indonesia.
    Wanna bet ?

    Even with Allied support you still got kicked back to your country.
    Thats the whole point, there wasnt any allied support.
    It's become clear that you're really ignorant so im just not going to discuss this particular topic with you.

    However i still want to discuss with you how it is that on your semi advanced age you're still this retarded.
    Did you live a sheltered life?
    what gives?
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    LOL, do you speak Indonesian?
    I have two native speakers in my house. Guess what. Even they know that the Dutch influenced the Indonesian language. Please try to get an education prior to posting in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashkelon View Post

    colonialism sucks, besides, the dutch are generally accepted to be the rudest among the europeans.
    Agreed.

    their women are ugly,
    You seem to be horribly misinformed good sir.
    Femke Jansen, Carice van Houten, Doutzen Kroes, Rebecca Romein, etc.
    They are most likely taller than the average american, maybe this scares you?



    their food is horrible, they have no culture and they are usually big, loud and ugly.
    but they brought us dutch kickboxing, so we forgive them.
    Agreed again.
    Especially with the food.
    Still, you as an american should not speak of things as pretty women, a culture or a cuisine, let alone obnoxious loud behaviour...
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    Wanna bet ?
    Oh, yeah.

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    Thats the whole point, there wasnt any allied support.
    A British general even got killed there.
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    Come on guys, all this arguing is getting in the way of not posting vids of silat working.

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