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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebell View Post
    They revolted like the cowards they were right after wwII, they massacred thousands of unarmed men women and children.
    Yeah, that's what Raymond Westerling did.
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    the dutch came with an army and kicked the **** outta em.
    something the americans couldnt do with vietnam, indonesia is about ten times its size.
    then through the un embargo's holland was pressured to let em go.
    they didnt get kicked out, military they were defeated by the dutch, but politically they won.
    After WWII, the Dutch even begged for the Brits and Allies support to regain back their colony, but failed. The Indonesians kicked them all at once.
    Last edited by bakuma; 10/05/2012 7:10am at .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakuma View Post
    Is this trapping?
    I appreciate seeing some silat practioners actually sparring, but man, that was low quality. The first fight was an epic display of slap-boxing. And, despite every single piece of demo video, where they show these awesome sequences of ground technique, whenever it went to the mats, there was nothing but useless flailing.

    Where are the sophisticated positional and body manipulations that are constantly being touted? I guess they're too t3h d34dly to be used in these matches. Unfortunate, rather, since the removal of them seems to completely cripple the ability to fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Pepper View Post
    I appreciate seeing some silat practioners actually sparring, but man, that was low quality. The first fight was an epic display of slap-boxing. And, despite every single piece of demo video, where they show these awesome sequences of ground technique, whenever it went to the mats, there was nothing but useless flailing.

    Where are the sophisticated positional and body manipulations that are constantly being touted? I guess they're too t3h d34dly to be used in these matches. Unfortunate, rather, since the removal of them seems to completely cripple the ability to fight.
    Not all silat styles has decent ground technique. Last video is another style, totally different style from the previous video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakuma View Post
    Yeah, that's what Raymond Westerling did.
    Not true.
    I have family who fought under him.
    Suck some more outta your ass why dont you?


    After WWII, the Dutch even begged for the Brits and Allies support to regain back their colony, but failed. The Indonesians kicked them all at once.
    Fail.
    Read a book, read on the internet, military it was a victory for the dutch, but as ive said before, they simpy couldnt maintain their position because the USA pulled out their support.
    Also Indonesia was secretly backed by the soviets.

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    Bakuma, just a question in general:

    Do you understand the extend of how much you fail?
    Are you aware of just how stupid you come across with all these posts?
    You come up with shitty videos,pisspoor examples, you have horrible horrible logic fails and you know **** about history.
    'China was never colonised' lololol.

    you are 53?
    stop posting, enjoy the autumn of your life and go buy your wife some flowers, read a book, walk the dog through a park, listen to good music.
    Just stop this godawful fantasylarping and defending a lost cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakuma View Post
    Not all silat styles has decent ground technique. Last video is another style, totally different style from the previous video.
    Yeah, unfortunately this style didn't have decent anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebell View Post
    Not true.
    I have family who fought under him.
    Suck some more outta your ass why dont you?



    Fail.
    Read a book, read on the internet, military it was a victory for the dutch, but as ive said before, they simpy couldnt maintain their position because the USA pulled out their support.
    Also Indonesia was secretly backed by the soviets.
    Your entire colonization was failed.
    You failed to convert them.
    Noone speaks Dutch in Indonesia.
    Even with Allied support you still got kicked back to your country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakuma View Post
    Noone speaks Dutch in Indonesia.
    Really seeing how some legal codes are still only available in Dutch.
    Also
    They inherited many words from Dutch, both in words for everyday life, and as well in scientific or technological terminology. One scholar argues that 20% of Indonesian words can be traced back to Dutch words,

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakuma View Post
    I agree, turns out some basic punching, kicking, sprawling, hammerfisting is enough to neutralize **BEEP** guy.
    Here's the problem with that argument. You've shown 2 videos, both put up by Silat guys, both with the variation of the theme 'Silat destroys BJJ.' yet in neither video did the 'bjj' guys demonstrate any measure of bjj skill.

    On the contrary there are copious amounts of videos both amateur and professional of bjj guys fighting effectively.

    What we don't see are copious amounts of videos with Silat guys fighting effectively.

    I appreciate that you are trying to present video evidence, since that is what we are asking, but try to objectively look at the quality of your evidence. Compare it to other videos out there and tell me if you think it is an honest assessment of a competent bjj guy.

    BJJ guys do lose fights. King Mo KO'd Roger Gracie in their strikeforce fight with superior stand up skills and the wrestling ability to dictate where the fight took place. Roger is world class, so no one is saying bjj is unbeatable.

    But it's a mistake to pretend the fighters in those videos are valid representations of bjj and- by proxy- that the Silat guys beating them are effective fighters.

    If someone told you the silat guys in those videos were wing Chun guys or ninjutsu guys would you still hold them up as examples of effective fighting skills?
    Last edited by BJMills; 10/05/2012 12:47pm at .

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Really seeing how some legal codes are still only available in Dutch.
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    They inherited many words from Dutch, both in words for everyday life, and as well in scientific or technological terminology. One scholar argues that 20% of Indonesian words can be traced back to Dutch words,
    LOL, do you speak Indonesian?

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