Convince Me That Silat Doesn't Suck Completely

**nnate** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 11:27am

Originally Posted by Just Guess

What's with that weird spinning takedown using the legs? It doesn't seem very effective, and even when it does work the other guy ends up on top.

Ain't got a clue, but it looks to me like some sort of scissor TD.

**1point2** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 11:45am

Originally Posted by nnate

Ain't got a clue, but it looks to me like some sort of scissor TD.

One of the attempts ends up as a (shitty) scissor takedown (aka body scissors, kani basami). But the silat technique is not that. It's the old "drop to the floor in a crouch while spin around with a leg extended like a hook kick at floor level" that was so popular in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

**Sinister-6000** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 1:31pm

Originally Posted by Kris Kringle-Jime

One of the attempts ends up as a (shitty) scissor takedown (aka body scissors, kani basami). But the silat technique is not that. It's the old "drop to the floor in a crouch while spin around with a leg extended like a hook kick at floor level" that was so popular in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Those are the kind of techniques ive seen in a lot of Olahraga/ sports silat...
they got one or two kick catches along with one or two sweeps and a lot of floppy, high kicking. Old school, "martial silat" has a lot more precise footwork, low kicks, elaborate control of lower and upper limbs and usually gets in close and sticks from there.

YouTube- Herman Suwanda 1994 seminar - Part 3

check about 5:40 ...you will see the kind of quick takedowns leading into control or finish of an opponent that characterize the kind of silat that is formidable.

**Hedgehogey** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 3:42pm

Wow, Silat is what TMAists think single and double legs are: Just kindof noncommitally playing around at your opponent's feet, doing this breakdance thing and begging for a punch in the back of the neck.

Also haha check the one finger pressure points.

**thatrugbyguy** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 4:03pm

Originally Posted by Sinister-6000

YouTube- Herman Suwanda 1994 seminar - Part 3

check about 5:40 ...you will see the kind of quick takedowns leading into control or finish of an opponent that characterize the kind of silat that is formidable.

That looks suicidally bad. As is my usual modus operandi, I applied a little mental test to the techniques demonstrated. I call it the "Would trying that on a good high school rugby player or wrestler while they were pissed off end in them hospitalizing you?" test.

This fails that test.

**Naszir** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 4:17pm

There is nothing non-committal about harimau. "Playing" around the feet is meant to be a quick process setting up basically an ankle pick with the feet or an arm weave with the heel blocked. What was in the video is a positional drill so you can understand the angles of attack. The pressure point stuff I have only seen used once someone was in a pacification position, especially when a weapon is present like a palm stick and you want them in pain with no real damage done.

**Naszir** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 4:23pm

Originally Posted by thatrugbyguy

That looks suicidally bad. As is my usual modus operandi, I applied a little mental test to the techniques demonstrated. I call it the "Would trying that on a good high school rugby player or wrestler while they were pissed off end in them hospitalizing you?" test.

This fails that test.

Silat has more than just what was shown in the video. To only do the techniques that work off that drill would be like a judoka only using morote gari or a wrestler only doing belly to back suplexes. Against someone like a rugby player or a wrestler (depending on their level could be incredibly bad times) a silat player would more likely use a sapu or pudar kepala.

**nnate** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 8:39pm

Originally Posted by Sinister-6000

Those are the kind of techniques ive seen in a lot of Olahraga/ sports silat...
they got one or two kick catches along with one or two sweeps and a lot of floppy, high kicking. Old school, "martial silat" has a lot more precise footwork, low kicks, elaborate control of lower and upper limbs and usually gets in close and sticks from there.

YouTube- Herman Suwanda 1994 seminar - Part 3

check about 5:40 ...you will see the kind of quick takedowns leading into control or finish of an opponent that characterize the kind of silat that is formidable.

Two things that come to mind:

Why can't this stuff be demonstrated in an alive setting?

and

Video?

**TheMightyMcClaw** · Posted On: 12/04/2009 10:00pm

Originally Posted by Sinister-6000

Those are the kind of techniques ive seen in a lot of Olahraga/ sports silat...
they got one or two kick catches along with one or two sweeps and a lot of floppy, high kicking. Old school, "martial silat" has a lot more precise footwork, low kicks, elaborate control of lower and upper limbs and usually gets in close and sticks from there.

YouTube- Herman Suwanda 1994 seminar - Part 3

check about 5:40 ...you will see the kind of quick takedowns leading into control or finish of an opponent that characterize the kind of silat that is formidable.

I like how people doing Silat wrong is more impressive than people doing Silat right.

**Naszir** · Posted On: 12/05/2009 1:09am

Originally Posted by nnate

Two things that come to mind:

Why can't this stuff be demonstrated in an alive setting?

and

Video?

It actually tends to present itself at Dog Brothers gatherings quite a bit. Crafty (Marc Denny) uses a lot of sapus for takedowns. Also, a technique was used in the Sokudjou/Mousasi fight. Please understand I am not asserting that Mousasi is a silat player, but he did use a harimau takedown in that fight.
Harimau takedown