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  1. Matt Phillips is online now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last_Samurai View Post
    LOL. I won't bother to post thousands of YouTube vids of K-1 and Muay Thai back spinning kick KO's
    True but spinning back/side kick is a legit MT technique albeit not a bread and butter one. Ask your trainers, maybe they teach a version of it at your camp.

    Of course, there's a lot of other non-MT kicks on your list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last_Samurai View Post
    I did read your whole post, but it is hard to understand something perfectly just from words. I think I know it. If you had a vid it would help.
    Ah. Perhaps some MT sugar daddy could fly me out. It's been more than a few years since I took the C-130 from Saigon to Bangkok (and no I'm not a vet).

    I guess if you try the exercise and have questions maybe I can explain better. For me kicks like these are high probability techniques because no one expects old fatty to be able to move, much less connect to the face - I figure that as long as I keep doing them I can keep doing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last_Samurai View Post

    You call the kicks different than I do. It is the "turning back kick" (for me what I call it) where the leg brushes tight to the knee. Yes. The back spinning kick (these are TKD terms) is just a big dizzy wizzy... I can't drill more than ten of them without having to stop...
    I think the "back spinning kick" that you are reffering to is actually a spinning SIDE kick. If the knees don't touch in the middle, its a side kick. Thats all well and good, just realize that it is a very different kick with a very different application.

    A "turning back kick" is just that, a back kick. whether or not you give it a slight hop or keep on the ball of your foot it is the same. The force is created in the extension of the leg and therefore the power is when the leg is not fully extended. therefore it is best used when someone is coming at you

    In a spinning side kick, because your hips are open, the kick is easier to see coming. It is also a longer kick. Because your hips are open, they are not as available to generate power, so centripetal force is the major player and thus you should hit with your leg mostly extended. IMHO, this kick is best used in a combo after a roundhouse. Also, switching it up with a wheel kick as they are chambered the same makes it even more effective, at least it was for me back in my comp TKD days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    True but spinning back/side kick is a legit MT technique albeit not a bread and butter one. Ask your trainers, maybe they teach a version of it at your camp.

    Of course, there's a lot of other non-MT kicks on your list.
    Some of them know it, but they never teach it. Boring fighters really.

    Anyway, the TKD version is better, it is more evolved due to more use and testing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    I think the "back spinning kick" that you are reffering to is actually a spinning SIDE kick. If the knees don't touch in the middle, its a side kick. Thats all well and good, just realize that it is a very different kick with a very different application.
    Do you know what a front spinning kick is? Well do that turning backwards makes a back spinning kick.

    This is the best vid I could find, it is like this, but without the bit where you fall over:

    YouTube - K1 - Spinning back kick

    The power is generated by the weight of your body spinning very fast. It helps to make a large circle with the leg to get a good wind up speed.

    This vid explains the turning back kick and turning side kick:

    YouTube - Revolution of Kicking - Back Kick

    You can see, there are 3 very different kicks with 3 very different applications and 3 very different ways of generating power. Still, some people get the 3 so confused and don't even know it is 3 different kicks, so it is not uncommon for some idiot to say "turning back spinning heel side kick" or something retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last_Samurai View Post
    Do you know what a front spinning kick is? Well do that turning backwards makes a back spinning kick.

    This is the best vid I could find, it is like this, but without the bit where you fall over:

    YouTube - K1 - Spinning back kick

    The power is generated by the weight of your body spinning very fast. It helps to make a large circle with the leg to get a good wind up speed.
    this is a wheel kick, similar motion to a spinning side, but with a pull through with the hip at the end as opposed to kicking straight out if that makes any sense.

    This vid explains the turning back kick and turning side kick:

    YouTube - Revolution of Kicking - Back Kick

    You can see, there are 3 very different kicks with 3 very different applications and 3 very different ways of generating power. Still, some people get the 3 so confused and don't even know it is 3 different kicks, so it is not uncommon for some idiot to say "turning back spinning heel side kick" or something retarded.
    this video is basically right, though I disagree with some points (more a style thing than anything else). I don't like the way they show a back kick because they open up the hips at the end, turning the foot and no longer making it a back kick, IMHO. the whole reason for keeping the knee in when throwing a back kick is to keep the hip muscles involved in power generation, making it a shorter but much more powerful kick. I see no reason to differentiate between a back kick and a spinning side kick if the end position is the same.

    I feel you though about people not being able to articulate what kicks they mean though, and it gets harder when certain people have differing opinions on what the same kick should look like. TKD technique discussions can get as bad as _ing _hun lineage wars *groan*

    EDIT: Look at this thread for a great discussion on what we are talking about, with guys that say it better than I do.
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    Beorn is right. That first video was not a back kick. It's what we call a wheel kick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless View Post
    Beorn is right.
    QFT. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last_Samurai View Post

    You can see, there are 3 very different kicks with 3 very different applications and 3 very different ways of generating power. Still, some people get the 3 so confused and don't even know it is 3 different kicks, so it is not uncommon for some idiot to say "turning back spinning heel side kick" or something retarded.
    Crap. The turning back spinning heel side kick is my best move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless View Post
    Beorn is right. That first video was not a back kick. It's what we call a wheel kick.
    Who said it was a back kick?
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    If you are really, really, really wanting to learn TKD style kicks, can't find a school and are wanting to learn from DVD or You Tube, try this link:

    YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

    Hwang Jang Lee's Art of High Impact Kicking DVD, broken down in 10min sections which will show, in pretty good detail, how to do all the flashy kicks.

    The video shown above is part one of eight but if you click the link, it will take you to the entire play list which will show the tornado kicks, axe kicks, wheel kicks and 360 and 720s.
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