Thread: BJJ in MMA
3/12/2009 1:11pm, #1
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BJJ in MMA
Sometimes I watch MMA, and a BJJ blackbelt or otherwise skilled submission grappler after taking down his opponent will be stuck there unable to do anything just because their opponent has blue belt level sub defense. They usually have to resort to ground and pound, which although effective, isn't as satisfying for a BJJ guy to watch as a clean submission victory. Exambles: Renzo Gracie and Damian Maia, obviously. Also Masakatsu Funaki vs Bas Rutten was pretty sad to watch when Funaki took down Bas but couldn't do anything because Bas held his hands tight to his chest. Funaki was freely transitioning on the ground but got nowhere.
So here is a list of BJJ moves I remember seeing in MMA off the top of my head. Obviously a lot of moves are harder to pull off with striking involved, no gi and a purely defensive, explosive opponent. Still the second category is moves I think should be seen more often.
Moves seen in MMA/Moves rarely seen in MMA
Armbar from sidemount/ Paintbrush from sidemount or mount
RNC /Shin chokes
Kimura /Mounted triangle
Ankle lock/heel hook Baseball bat choke
Kneebar /Sweeps when opponent stands
This is just off the top of my head. Which bjj moves would you like to see in the cage? Discuss!
Last edited by Grappler; 3/12/2009 1:24pm at .
3/12/2009 2:12pm, #2
I'd like to see you get Ban-barred from WTFPWN3Dmount.Originally Posted by Sarcastro
3/12/2009 2:15pm, #3
Srsly^ can we move this thread to MAP?
Yeeaahhhh, that would be a greaaat.Many things we do naturally become difficult only when we try to make them intellectual subjects. It is possible to know so much about a subject that you become totally ignorant.
-Mentat Text Two (dicto)
3/12/2009 2:19pm, #4
And no, there is no discussion. If you don't like the subs you see in MMA then get fit, get trained, get a fight, and try and pull off a flying naked rolling googoplatta!
3/12/2009 2:24pm, #5
Paintbrush/Americana from mount isn't even that recommended as a move unless you have superior strength, but even then, you are probably gonna get rolled against an experienced guy. Mounted triangle and Kimura... because those NEVER happen in MMA... Grappler, wtf?!?!
Oh and what the **** is a baseball bat choke? You mean baseball choke?
And RNC's like NEVER happen...
Where do you e-train, Grappler?Originally Posted by Sarcastro
3/12/2009 2:28pm, #6
3/12/2009 2:37pm, #7
3/12/2009 2:47pm, #8
3/12/2009 2:53pm, #9
Oh c'mon, I asked him where he e-trained... surely you picked up the sarcasm.Originally Posted by Sarcastro
3/12/2009 3:11pm, #10
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Moves seen a lot in MMA
Armbar from Side Mount
Ankle lock/heel hook
Moves rarely seen a lot in MMA
Paintbrush from side control or mount
Sweeps when opponent stands
---------- Post added at 01:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:58 PM ----------
As you said Gabe, the moves he wonders why they don't do either don't work that well or aren't appropriate for MMA
1) Paintbrush from side control or mount
I see people going for this move from side control a lot, doing it from mount is usually not as a good idea cause it's easier to get sweept.
I've seen it in MMA before
The reason you don't see more of it is cause it's generally a low percentage choke that works when a person doesn't know it's coming. Now that everyone knows about it, it's less valuable.
3) S- Mount
People do it but usually fall right into an armbar rather then sitting there all day. It's MMA not a grappling tournament after all
4) Mounted triangle
Again, you see this move done ass well, although most people choose to to keep the position and punch repeatedly to the face rather then actually try to finish the choke
5) Baseball Choke
Are you serious?
6) Sweeps when opponent stands.
It happens but generally when a person stands up that means they are about to unload on your face, Better to stand up with then or protect yourself rather then try a sweep that will let you get punched in the head