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    BJJ in MMA

    Sometimes I watch MMA, and a BJJ blackbelt or otherwise skilled submission grappler after taking down his opponent will be stuck there unable to do anything just because their opponent has blue belt level sub defense. They usually have to resort to ground and pound, which although effective, isn't as satisfying for a BJJ guy to watch as a clean submission victory. Exambles: Renzo Gracie and Damian Maia, obviously. Also Masakatsu Funaki vs Bas Rutten was pretty sad to watch when Funaki took down Bas but couldn't do anything because Bas held his hands tight to his chest. Funaki was freely transitioning on the ground but got nowhere.

    So here is a list of BJJ moves I remember seeing in MMA off the top of my head. Obviously a lot of moves are harder to pull off with striking involved, no gi and a purely defensive, explosive opponent. Still the second category is moves I think should be seen more often.

    Moves seen in MMA/Moves rarely seen in MMA
    Armbar from sidemount/ Paintbrush from sidemount or mount
    RNC /Shin chokes
    Gulliotine/ S-Mount
    Kimura /Mounted triangle
    Ankle lock/heel hook Baseball bat choke
    Kneebar /Sweeps when opponent stands

    This is just off the top of my head. Which bjj moves would you like to see in the cage? Discuss!
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    Srsly^ can we move this thread to MAP?

    Yeeaahhhh, that would be a greaaat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grappler View Post
    This is just off the top of my head. Which bjj moves would you like to see in the cage? Discuss!
    This is like asking why we don't see certain Judo throws in competition, or why we don't see flying backfists in Boxing..... we see what works. We see high percentage techniques executed against another highly skilled conditioned athlete. I can throw Osoto Makikomi against a white belt all day long and even if it's sloppy as hell I'll pull it off. I throw the same against a black belt and I need to be either stupidly quick, have perfect kuzushi or I'm going for a ride.

    And no, there is no discussion. If you don't like the subs you see in MMA then get fit, get trained, get a fight, and try and pull off a flying naked rolling googoplatta!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grappler View Post
    Moves seen in MMA/Moves rarely seen in MMA
    Armbar from sidemount/ Paintbrush from sidemount or mount
    RNC /Shin chokes
    Gulliotine/ S-Mount
    Kimura /Mounted triangle
    Ankle lock/heel hook Baseball bat choke
    Kneebar /Sweeps when opponent stands
    It's not even like saying that, frankly, because a lot of the things he's recommending don't even work that well in strictly grappling sparring, let alone MMA when the skill and athleticism of everyone seems to increase significantly (with the exception of the odd duck here and there).

    Paintbrush/Americana from mount isn't even that recommended as a move unless you have superior strength, but even then, you are probably gonna get rolled against an experienced guy. Mounted triangle and Kimura... because those NEVER happen in MMA... Grappler, wtf?!?!

    Oh and what the **** is a baseball bat choke? You mean baseball choke?

    And RNC's like NEVER happen...

    Where do you e-train, Grappler?
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    Where do you e-train, Grappler?
    He doesn't....
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    why we don't see flying backfists in Boxing.....
    There are actually rules against that one.
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    There are actually rules against that one.
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    Oh c'mon, I asked him where he e-trained... surely you picked up the sarcasm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabetuno View Post
    It's not even like saying that, frankly, because a lot of the things he's recommending don't even work that well in strictly grappling sparring, let alone MMA when the skill and athleticism of everyone seems to increase significantly (with the exception of the odd duck here and there).

    Paintbrush/Americana from mount isn't even that recommended as a move unless you have superior strength, but even then, you are probably gonna get rolled against an experienced guy. Mounted triangle and Kimura... because those NEVER happen in MMA... Grappler, wtf?!?!

    Oh and what the **** is a baseball bat choke? You mean baseball choke?

    And RNC's like NEVER happen...

    Where do you e-train, Grappler?
    I think it's the way he was wording it that came off as being confusing. He has two lists here, moves he see's a lot in MMA and moves he rarely sees:

    Moves seen a lot in MMA
    Armbar from Side Mount
    RNC
    Gulliotine
    Kimura
    Ankle lock/heel hook
    Kneebar

    Moves rarely seen a lot in MMA
    Paintbrush from side control or mount
    Shin chokes
    S- Mount
    Mounted Triangle
    Baseball Choke
    Sweeps when opponent stands

    ---------- Post added at 01:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:58 PM ----------

    As you said Gabe, the moves he wonders why they don't do either don't work that well or aren't appropriate for MMA

    1) Paintbrush from side control or mount

    I see people going for this move from side control a lot, doing it from mount is usually not as a good idea cause it's easier to get sweept.

    2)Shin chokes

    I've seen it in MMA before
    http://www.truveo.com/nick-diaz-Gogoplata/id/651353932

    The reason you don't see more of it is cause it's generally a low percentage choke that works when a person doesn't know it's coming. Now that everyone knows about it, it's less valuable.

    3) S- Mount

    People do it but usually fall right into an armbar rather then sitting there all day. It's MMA not a grappling tournament after all

    4) Mounted triangle


    Again, you see this move done ass well, although most people choose to to keep the position and punch repeatedly to the face rather then actually try to finish the choke

    5) Baseball Choke

    Are you serious?

    6) Sweeps when opponent stands.

    It happens but generally when a person stands up that means they are about to unload on your face, Better to stand up with then or protect yourself rather then try a sweep that will let you get punched in the head
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