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    Quote Originally Posted by ignatzami View Post



    See, I disagree. Look at Canada, a country with almost identical gun possession rates, yet with next to no gun related school violence. I simply refuse to believe that ease of acquisition equates to violence. I had ready access to firearms my entire childhood, yet I never shot anyone.
    Uh wrong Canada has a far lower posession rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_o..._gun_ownership http://www.allcountries.org/gun_ownership_rates.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitchslapper View Post
    That data is sixteen years old....

    Add to that that even that data shows a 9.9% difference in ownership, so the percentage of gun deaths should be 9.9% different as well right? You and I both know that Canada has a fraction of the gun related offenses. Certainly more then 9.9% less.

    EDIT: I can't even find relevant NCVS/NCR data for 1993 online.
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    Wikipedia link is from 2007 90% vs 31.5%

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitchslapper View Post
    Wikipedia link is from 2007 90% vs 31.5%
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    As many people possess multiple weapons and many others possess none, this number is not a representation of the percentage of people who possess guns in each nation.
    So why are we treating this data as anything close to valid?

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    My point is there are way more guns in America. Wether or not they're evenly spread out. So you shouldn't expect much similarity between Canadian and U.S. gun crime because of that.

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    To make a brief comment on the gun climate in Canada. I'm a Canadian from Toronto. Legal gun ownership in Canada is much more restricted. Much fewer people are legally allowed to own guns and you can't carry them on you wherever you go. In Toronto we have a high gun murder rate to do with gangs and illegal guns that are smuggled over the border from the United States. Regina has the worst shooting death rate. As far as kids bringing guns to school, that sort of thing is getting worse. I believe it has more to do with gangs though.

    In eastern Canada I think the attitude of the public towards guns is "why?" People legally own them for hunting, sport, and collection. In rural areas such as a farm they might have some use for self defence, but you don't hear a lot of Canadians talking about how everyone would be safer if we all carried guns. The criticism we often hear of the government and their gun control laws is that in a knee jerk reaction to gun violence they crack down on legit gun owners instead of focusing on the illegal flow of black market guns and illegal gun owners doing the crime.

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