*cough* Money grubbing whores *cough* seriously though drop the ability to earn rank online and I'd love it.
The Machado's site is the way it should be. They have tons of videos on there. The cool thing though is that you can send in videos of yourself and they will let you know what you are doing wrong. Also JJ Machado will put videos of himself showing the technique you want to know about. And they have like a thousand videos on there.
You can't get any certification or ranking through it.
that's certainly a well thought out answer by rener. he raises a good point about being able to evaluate the videos with rewind, freeze frame, etc... and at least he's willing to admit it is a less effective way to test.
Less effective way to test but still doing it!
Iím not. Iíll freely admit that Iím fairly crap at BJJ, and welcome the input of others, but the reasons why I think that this method of testing is real crap are
Originally Posted by fatkidrecords
- Seeing the techniques is good, but no substitute for feeling them. An instructor should roll with his students.
- The student who practices with a friend or two is missing out on the very critical part of rolling with many different people, which is a crucial learning experience and also closely tied to the fact thatÖ
- If evaluators only see unknowns rolling with unknowns, itís never entirely clear whether a person is good because the testing resistance is not guaranteed. My instructor can get a sense of where Iím at without rolling with me just by watching me roll with other peopleóbecause heís rolled with them; because he can measure me against the known baseline of the gymís overall skill level. If I rolled only with unknowns, I might look better than I am if they all just happen to share certain holes in their game.
- In extreme cases, as was mentioned above, thereís outright fraud: You canít always see the difference between the real thing and the well-choreographed thing. I donít think this would be terribly common, though.
i watch subs 101 all the time, and i get decent advice from them. but, i understand that it is no substitute for training (as do most people who watch those vids). it's just a nice resource to have. that's what this program should be. a good resource to have for people unable to train at a gym.
Originally Posted by Uncle Skippy
i agree that online grading and belting only leads to problems and makes the gracie family inch closer to the levels of ATA. with the proliferation of gjj schools, it shouldn't be hard to go to one to test for your belt.
The only way to grade someone effectively is to roll with them or have them roll with others whose abilities you know (as mentioned above).
Originally Posted by fatkidrecords
Someone 'testing' for a belt using a video, ESPECIALLY in bjj, doesn't make sense. For their blue belt test, they have a person submit a video that shows 2 people moving through positions playing catch and release. If the person testing works for a week or two choreographing that tape, then it can appear they know how to do the techniques when really they are just acting out a script. Put them under pressure and watch it fall apart.
There is no substitute for testing in person, under pressure.
That was a bit of a TL;DR, but two quick points I'd like to make:
1) There was never that much opposition to on-line degrees, as such, when they first came along. Distance learning was already well established for third level education, with organisations like the Open University providing recognised and well respected accreditation. There was no problem with their on-line courses. The problem was with the rash of degree-mills that popped up offering dodgy courses, using these new-fangled "web pages" to make themselves look official.
2) The charge that we're just afraid of change is not well founded. Admittedly, any change to the way things are thought is going to be met with some resistance, but to just dismiss us as being stuck in our ways is not the way to fix this. For one thing, no-one's really complaining about the Machado program - in fact, it seems to be getting the thumbs up.
Machado has even said that it's possible to get rank through the on-line program, but it requires you to meet him in person and prove your ability, and he makes no garuntees that having traveled to meet him, you're going to go home with a new belt.
The Machado way seems ok. You can learn some stuff online but you've got to test it out live to get rank IMO.
The instructionals they'll release might be very good but I hesitate in believing that hundreds of video gradings will be viewed by true instructors at the Gracie Academy every month. I think there will be a standard reply form sent out to the guys sending in their video tests. :(
I could see how you could get some stripes on your white belt at best from showing competence in a video but IMO watering down the blue and even worse the higher belts like this is unforgivable but maybe inevitable. :(
But isn't it kinda like an open secret in the BJJ community that the Gracie Academy in Torrance's reputation already is a bit tarnished despite the legit skills of the head instructors there?
Bootleg Gracie dvds
Yeah I bought some bootleg Helio Gracie instructional dvds form some Chinese guy in Chinatown who wasnt really selling them but had them in the back of his store. It shows Rickson practicing choke moves on coconut trees.
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