5/12/2007 10:03am, #21
3 year old thread? Really Lads?
5/12/2007 10:55am, #22Originally Posted by VaderS1
Fallacy #1 destroyed.
Most street fights end in less than a 20 seconds.
Fallacy #2 destroyed.
So for the students to compete in sport really pointless. As one that competed in combat sport and also worked as a bouncer and been to many fights. I can honestly say that there is not one technique that I used in the ring that I ever used in a real fight.
Fallacy #3 blown out of the water.
I find that the way we train in The Kai is effective for real world combat. Oh and the Dog Brothers may call theirs a sport but we really know that it truly isn't one by all sense of the word. If you have any doubts about the Akumu system check it out... fortcollinsmma.com
5/12/2007 1:41pm, #23
Originally Posted by Odacon
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5/15/2007 9:09am, #24
Why is everyone under the assumption that if you're trained to fight under a rule set you will always fight under a rule set?Sumus extra manum tuam.
5/15/2007 9:16am, #25
Because sports don't teach you how to fight. The deadly, no rules, one step, compliant enemy, look ma no blood rules all.
5/15/2007 9:19am, #26Originally Posted by blankslate
As far as the kendoka vs traditional sword stylist fight, I'd definitely expect the kendoka to win. I started kendo after having 2-3 years of experience in Shinkendo and Toyama Ryu, and it was like starting over. I quickly realized that when I wasn't doing a rehearsed kata, I had no idea what to do vs a real opponent.HTFU and join Bullshido on Fitocracy!
5/15/2007 10:43am, #27
God, I just can't resist:
Originally Posted by VaderS1
This is ridiculous for multiple reasons, the best being that on the str33t your opponent will be trying to beat you, not playing a part in a drill. In sparring, you're already approximating that attitude: your opponent is trying to win in a full contact sparring match. Additionally, even if scenario-based drills work (and there is basically ZERO evidence that they do), they are necessarily limited; you cannot envision or practice for every scenario. A better strategy is to develop the correct attributes of a fighter: athletic capacity, timing, instincts, power, speed, adaptability, etc, which are important in every situation. These are all developed better by full-contact sparring and sportfighting than by compliant drills.
Worse still for the light contact/compliance crowd, without full contact sparring or competitive matches, you cannot know whether or not the techniques you intend to use will actually work, or whether or not you can really apply them. Without training the right way, you will vastly overestimate your own capabilities, and be fooled into thinking that the human body is more fragile and attackable than it actually is.
Finally, do you honestly think that in most "real" fights there aren't at least some social rules in play? I've never been in a fight, but I've seen several, and I've never seen one degenerate into nut-punching, eye-gouging, or trachea-smashing (except for Hackney in UFC 4). People don't like to do those things in front of other people, even when their pride is at stake. Using "deadly" techniques on the street is more likely to result in legal and criminal problems for you, when you have to justify that you couldn't have just punched the guy, you had to rip his eye out, then stomp on his throat. The right to defend oneself is not nearly as complete a legal shield as you may believe it to be.
And if nut-punching or trachea-smashing worked--if they were techniques that could instantly end fights easily--then they would be common in Vale Tudo, where they are legal. That they are not is demonstrative of how vastly some people overestimate their effectiveness.
Real world fights in the streets have no such limitations. Most street fights end in less than a 20 seconds.
So for the students to compete in sport really pointless.
As one that competed in combat sport
and also worked as a bouncer
I can honestly say that there is not one technique that I used in the ring that I ever used in a real fight.
I find that the way we train in The Kai is effective for real world combat.
Oh and the Dog Brothers may call theirs a sport but we really know that it truly isn't one by all sense of the word.
If you have any doubts about the Akumu system check it out... fortcollinsmma.com
Sorry to respond to this guy, I just can't help myself.
5/18/2007 5:28pm, #28
I enjoy thread necromancy.Best Vietnam War music video I've ever seen put together by a vet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDY8raKsdfg