3/02/2009 1:45am, #11"Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***
"The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19
"Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
3/02/2009 2:18am, #12
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3/02/2009 7:20am, #13
Dealing with your bodies reaction to the knowledge that you are in grave danger is a very important part of legitimate combative training.
I would prefer you take the course created by Peyton Quinn, but I think he retired.
Still, even 3.5 hours is enough to learn the problem, and learn how to use the things happening as a help rather than a hindrance.
I do not believe the program stands on its own, but I do believe it will teach you to deliver a very powerful blow, when you are in danger. Kano himself felt that a powerful atemi was vital as the first step in real combat.
Its just my opinion, of course you should do what you feel best.
3/02/2009 7:28am, #14
I haven't done MM or the Gracie Combatives program. But I have done Judo/Jiujitsu and Redman suit drills. So take my advice for what it's worth.
Redman suit stuff seems good for getting in some live practice against a resisting opponent. And it certainly can give you some adrenalin to work with. But, IMO, rolling and randori do all that and more, and do it better. I see redman stuff as being a "next best thing" for when you can't free spar/roll.
3/02/2009 7:39am, #15
In the "old days" we did both. The Atemi was used during randori.
Uke was padded, tori was not....
The goal was to strike, throw, finish and run. Detroit Judo club trained a lot of cops that way in the day.
3/02/2009 12:19pm, #16
The blue belt you get isn't a real one. It is a money making scheme.
The sport stuff works because you're training against skilled people who know what they're doing as opposed to scared and flabby yuppies worried their BMW is going to get jacked if they mistakenly come across someone with extra melanin.
You're already training MMA, why waste your time.
3/02/2009 12:54pm, #17
I went through the combatives course from a trained combatives instructor. That being said, I don't claim any training in BJJ. I don't claim any rank from a gracie. I also don't claim to have any belt color in BJJ or combatives. They have to option to get that belt, but I don't really know why anyone would really care.
Personally to the op here is what you will get from this program. You are going to get a lot of basic techniques that are used in most good ground fighting systems. You will also get a system of self defence that is being adopted by a lot of law enforcement communities as well as the army. That will be a great starting point for you to go on to other things. It will give you a great idea of what you should be looking for in a good school. You may like this school, but go in understanding that you are getting the basics so don't plan on staying too long. Get the training becuase it is nice to have it under your belt(white) when you need it. Then if you like it, go to a BJJ school. If you don't like it, find something else. I wouldn't say the program is a money making scheme. But I would agree that the belt ranking is. That was why I didn't pursue it. You are going there for the training, not the ranking.
3/02/2009 2:20pm, #18
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3/02/2009 2:47pm, #19
I think you'd be best served by JUST TRAINING AT ONE OF THE BEST (public) MMA GYMS IN THE WORLD.
Seriously, there is absolutely nothing you need from Gracie Combatives.
3/02/2009 2:59pm, #20
Most people will go through there adult lives without having to deal with anything more dangerous than harsh language.