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  1. Dirty Rooster is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    I have tried to find some description of how this is done, with no success. One can only assume that they are using a device similar to what was used in Fight Science.
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    I don't think we should assume that at all.

    Is there any device which could measure the 'punching power' of a featherweight AND a super-heavyweight without being biased towards either?
    Surely the relative masses of the impacting fist and the body behind it would make the type of 'punching power' different for each...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Rooster View Post
    I don't think we should assume that at all.

    Is there any device which could measure the 'punching power' of a featherweight AND a super-heavyweight without being biased towards either?
    Surely the relative masses of the impacting fist and the body behind it would make the type of 'punching power' different for each...
    I'm not sure I get what you mean. If a device acurately measures force or energy, the weight of the puncher shouldn't introduce a bias.
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    Didn't fight science use a crash test dummy for measurements? IIRC that's what they used while the world record stuff is done with a pad and stationary pole or holders.

    Fight science tried to simulate real word scenarios as best they could. This gave better numbers than anything I have seen before.

    What you are seeing in MMA is conservation of motion by many fighters. In the stand up part the tendency to be cautious and "respect" the take down leads to fighters adopting punching mechanisms that are not conventional in the boxing framework.

    As noted they tend to use the optimal technique when on the ground to help generate as much power as possible.

    Good fighters understand when its time to swing for the fences and when its time to pick your opponent apart. The not so good fighters just swing for the fences and hope that the power punch lands.

    Those looping arm punches the guys you talk about throw are mainly just used to rattle and frustrate a person. They come at goofy angles and just annoy the piss out of the other guy. Making them defend those not as powerful shots then the barn stormers can come in and finish the job. Its just a style and it works for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    I'm not sure I get what you mean. If a device acurately measures force or energy, the weight of the puncher shouldn't introduce a bias.
    The real question is if this punches "force or energy" measured in this manner is able to accurately predict the ability of the punch to knock someone out/cause damage. Without knowing the measurement method, we do not know if "push" punches accounted for. Depending on the method, pushing the bag might give higher numbers than punching it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meson View Post
    The real question is if this punches "force or energy" measured in this manner is able to accurately predict the ability of the punch to knock someone out/cause damage. Without knowing the measurement method, we do not know if "push" punches accounted for. Depending on the method, pushing the bag might give higher numbers than punching it.
    Very good point.
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    How accurate are these?
    I am not sure. It depends on how they are doing the measurement. Are they measuring the impact of the target against the top? How heavy is the target? Are they measuring the force through time? What is the resolution of the sensor that they are using? These are some thing to examine...
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    How accurate are these?
    Impossible to answer. We have no idea what the units are.

    That said, its a toy, so I wouldn't expect too much.
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