I agree that sport fencing is of limited value to real swordsmanship but I think "it's a sport" is a rather poor reason for such a position. There are many sports that teach useful things about combat (boxing, savate, greco-roman & freestyle wrestling; just to name a few western sports) but in the case of sportive fencing it's a sport with unrealistic weapons & overly restrictive rules that fail to relate it to the real fighting art. That does not mean that, simply because something is a sport, that thing is automatically of no value in understanding combat.
Originally Posted by templar9
:XXknight: I enjoyed fencing, but never got into that whole right of way rule....I always thought who gives a sh*t about "right of way"...who ever is first/faster has the right of way.
Fencing is to SCA/ARMA as Pointfighting is to Kickboxing/MMA
Which means out there is someone who is the lyoto machida of full-contact weaponry and will dominate Dog Bros and ARMA free-scholars with foil techniques.......
Originally Posted by selfcritical
//I'd love to spar a Dog brother, by the way. They train good and hard, it'd be an awesome fight.
P.S.: Free scholars? There is no such thing as free scholars. You must be mistaken. They're Scholar Adepts
PS.2:Btw, he made that change a few days before he arrived for our seminar and our group's then-free-scholar-now-scholar-adept-testing and we were all like w00t?
My point has been made ;
Originally Posted by selfcritical
Even the actions of striking, defending, damaging are absolutely different when using a more rigid and edge-aligned BLADE ... I frigging hate the bendy crap.
Originally Posted by odysseus_dallas
Even the 'classical fencers' use a lot of bendy crap, I've seen it with my own eyes. Bastards.
I'm just sore at losing a knockout round to an antenna which was posing as a 'smallsword' observed by a clueless judge. I would've parried a proper weapon every time. *boing*. Bastards!
Early days I guess.
Rugby Union being a case in point.
Originally Posted by SBG-ape
Exactly. On a side note, I keep expecting Rugby to be the next big thing in MMA.
Originally Posted by Dirty Rooster
Finally, somewhere on Bullshido I can actually be not completely useless. I just recently stopped fencing after ten years of it(the last five being fairly serious competing), and most of what's been said is probably right as far as actual physical applications to combat sports. I find the place I can most apply my fencing experience is the tactical side of it. For instance, there's a place in EVERY MA out there for the ability to be someplace else when your opponent attacks, or suckering them into doing exactly what you wanted them to and then slamming the trap shut.
You'll almost definitely learn that kind of stuff in any decent MA also. But if you're like me and fencing's been all you've done for a long time, it certainly helps to go in already having that knowledge.
i took a fencing PE class in 8th grade for one grading period. it was lots of fun but never really helped me out much. 4 summers ago when i started doing boffer weapons, i realized the only thing that ever worked was to parry with the tip still aiming at your target.
it is a fun sport though.
That last part is actually an important detail of any viable sword art(atleast from what i've seen of thai, filipino, and western sword arts), so there you are.
Originally Posted by white_kimbo