Thread: Celtic/Backhold Wrestling
2/12/2009 10:43pm, #11Originally Posted by Stew
Do you find that your ringen work gives some defense against their submissions by putting you in better position from the takedown?
Also my friends that might be interested are in West Monroe (546 area) or North Monroe (Frenchman's Bend). Oddly enough, there is a large group of us from Monroe/West Monroe and Shreveport here in Austin (sort of like evacuees only without Katrina). But all of them are too lazy to train, they just want to be musicians and Myspace comedians.
2/13/2009 12:42am, #12
Interesting. I've seen backhold before, and I've had a decent amount of success adapting the backhold grip to takedowns for BJJ. I managed to get a harai goshi/sweeping hip throw and a yoko otoshi/side drop earlier this evening from it.
From a cultural persective, I find it interesting how most forms of folk wrestling seem to be mostly takedown-oriented (Glima, Backhold, Mongolian Wrestling, etc.) and less commonly pin-oriented ( such as American Folkstyle or Senagalese folk wrestling) and even less commonly submission oriented (such as BJJ).
I know the ancient greeks were really big on submissions, but that's about all I can think of traditional sub-based grappling.
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2/13/2009 1:32am, #13
When jujitsu was first introduced to Europe (by good old E.W. Barton-Wright), the whole concept of submission grappling was entirely novel to British wrestlers. It was actually very controversial at the time.
The closest English folk-wrestling got to submission holds was Lancashire catch, which used "pain holds" to encourage opponents into pins.Check out the Bullshido.net Western Martial Arts Forum for all things Western, martial and arty.
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2/13/2009 4:51am, #14
In an old black and white movie about Cornish Fishermen there was a scene where they met some Bretons during a festival and the Cornish ended up being ostracised for cheating after one of them used a shin kick which was allowed in thier variant but not in the Breton version.
There's clog fighting in the north of England too, stand up grapling with shin kicks from wooden soled shoes.
2/13/2009 9:32am, #15
Originally Posted by Naszir
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Oddly enough, I teach music down the road from the bend at a private school. I'm sure you can guess which one. If you're ever in town let me know, we can roll. Anyway, sorry to stray so far off topic. It's interesting to me too that most wrestling styles seem to be orthia pales and are often belt/jacket styles.
2/13/2009 9:48am, #16Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw
I've got some theories about why most wrestling is done until a fall or a pin, but that conversation doesn't belong in this forum. You can probably work it out from this factoid: the Spartans famously refused to compete in Pankration because they were culturally adverse to the idea of voluntary submission (i.e. saying "uncle" is for cowards).“Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4
2/14/2009 6:54pm, #17
Those glima matches on hardwood floors looked painful.
2/20/2009 2:21pm, #18
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there is a guy in louisiana who runs the new world celts chapter in lafayette that is very knowledgable about celtic wrestling
2/20/2009 6:07pm, #19
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I find the word 'celtic' irritating.
Anyway, our milkman was local Cumberland&Westmorland champ many years running. That's pure backhold wrestling. British, not 'celtic' *spit*.
2/21/2009 9:31am, #20