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    The situation is changing, slowly, particularly as the WMA seminar and conference circuit ramps up. People often need hands-on exposure to "new" methods in order to really appreciate the advantages of doing certain things differently.
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    Our form of pressure testing in our freeplay.
    The basic rules are you can attempt anything as long as you don't cause anything other than a minor injury. So we have kicks, punches, grappling, locks and throws (if we can get them without getting stuck first). To be honest. mostly our closr combat is ends up with a pommell strike to the head from a longsword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polar Bear View Post
    Our form of pressure testing in our freeplay.
    The basic rules are you can attempt anything as long as you don't cause anything other than a minor injury. So we have kicks, punches, grappling, locks and throws (if we can get them without getting stuck first).
    And that's the crux of it, isn't it? Adding sharp-n-pointies makes closing to grappling a whole different game. Can't just shoot and expect to shrug off a glancing punch with your forearms or ignoring ineffectual punches to the top of your head while you dump your opponent on his butt.

    No, suddenly those goobs where were going "If he shoots I'll just elbow him in the back' start to look a lot more dangerous with a knife. 'Cuz you can ignore an idiot who thinks he can elbow your back in a shoot but when he can separate your trap or bury 4 inches of steel in your lung from your back, it's game changing.

    I know one guy who practices grappling, bjj, etc. and teaches his guys. But he's got a prior FMA backround and will occasionally hide a blunted training knife about him before grappling. Guys get a whole 'nuther perspective with a dull piece of aluminum digging into their ribs or collar-bone, knowing it "could" have been sharp steel.

    Yeah, really different game. Not one where grappling is absent, mind you. But the grappling takes on a very different tenor. The ability to disengage rapidly suddenly has a lot more importance. My personal opinion (and that's all it is) is that's why you see a lot more standing grappling in the old manuals than ground fighting.

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    Didn't high-end armor somewhat nullify a lot of that?

    I was under the impression that well armored vs. well armored went to grappling as often as not, since your only outside options were a Mordhau or Halbschwert thrust.

    Haha, can anyone guess what my minimal WMA experiance is in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesperus View Post
    Didn't high-end armor somewhat nullify a lot of that?

    I was under the impression that well armored vs. well armored went to grappling as often as not, since your only outside options were a Mordhau or Halbschwert thrust.
    Yes.

    Which is why you see a lot of grappling at the half-sword and with rondell. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesperus View Post
    Didn't high-end armor somewhat nullify a lot of that?

    I was under the impression that well armored vs. well armored went to grappling as often as not, since your only outside options were a Mordhau or Halbschwert thrust.

    Haha, can anyone guess what my minimal WMA experiance is in?
    Agrippa? :p

    High-end armor had a few issues being worn around town- you didn't go for ale wearing plate, unless you're an adventurer in D&D (*shudder*). Consider tavern brawls, for instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naszir View Post
    As far as training with weapons and grappling, might I recommend a Dog Brothers style approach? If the weaponry is a concern on the mat, you can sacrifice accuracy of feel and handling for functionality. Maybe a modified lameco stick. I know it isn't optimal but it will allow for alive training. That might take the training into an as of this time neglected area.
    Why not just do what the DBMA guys do and spar with weapons outside, in a grassy area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    Why not just do what the DBMA guys do and spar with weapons outside, in a grassy area?
    Some groups do, in the summer months. In those cases, the problem tends to come down to the equipment and training issues I mentioned earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR View Post
    Some groups do, in the summer months. In those cases, the problem tends to come down to the equipment and training issues I mentioned earlier.
    Not to mention an uncanny amount of perspiration.

    The problem is, not everybody has access to grassy areas with room AND privy to curious eyes. The latter is not from a "keep it secret, keep it safe" mindset, but rather to avoid grannies calling the police or morons from pestering you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by odysseus_dallas View Post
    The problem is, not everybody has access to grassy areas with room AND privy to curious eyes. The latter is not from a "keep it secret, keep it safe" mindset, but rather to avoid grannies calling the police or morons from pestering you.
    Dog Brothers don't seem to have a problem.
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