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2/12/2009 9:17am
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A little more detail from a great deal earlier: the oldest city in France is Marseille, which was the first major Greek city in the Western Mediterranean (~600BCE, then called Μασσαλία/Massalia). After the Romans took over from the Greeks, the same area became their first province outside Italy, from which the name Provence comes.Greco-Roman was initially called in French la luttes à mains platte (open handed wrestling) and technical development began in the ‘athletes’ cafés’ of Lyon and Bordeaux.
Pale ('πάλη', the pure wrestling practiced in the old Olympics) and pankration were hugely popular in Provence, the residue of which is many related folk-wrestling styles, some of which are still practiced today. The particular branch that became the form of show wrestling that became modern 'Greco-Roman' was called 'La Loucho de la Centuro en Aut' in Provençal.
All of which is to say that although the story of French folk wrestling being re-branded into the modern Olympics is true, there really is a thin filament leading from there back to the ancient Olympics.
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2/12/2009 11:17am
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From the FILA website:
Originally Posted by CodosDePiedra
See this post for a description of brancaille, another popular combat sport of the period in southern France.This style has its origins in the 19th century and was created by a Napoleon soldier named Exbroyat. He performed in Lyon fairs what he called “flat hand wrestling” to differentiate it from other combat sports where hitting his opponent was allowed.“Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4



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2/11/2009 9:38pm
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The truse origins of "Graeco-Roman" wrestling