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KellyD, you said earlier :
Originally Posted by kellyd
«I wish I knew a nmae in france I would be more than happy to give it to you.. I shall call Pat this weekend and ask. he should tell me.
Do you recall again who it was that signed his brown Belt diploma again? I will do that leg work myself.»
Did you called Pat, i would really like to get that info, so that i could expand my investigation. Have you done any leg work until now? Share with us.
Personally i think that KellyD and stungun have done a really good job in bluring this 'investigation', too bad i think they 'outta get me'.
I will continue, when i have any resamblance of evidence i will put it here, in the hope that It is a fake move this thread to where it belongs.
Good job KellyD and Stungun
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We can and have proven things on this forum. No one is bothering with this thread. Originally Posted by thehumanstungun
Blow up?
Go ahead. No one cares what you do.The hood mentality is crippling disease, that attacks your nervous system. It makes you nervous of the system. Gangsters and hood rats are especially susceptible to this growth stunting mentality. The hood is where I'm from, but it's not what I am. The hood is where I'm from, but it's not what I am. --Keith David--Ice Cube
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Dear Bullshido readers
This was the letter i wrote to each organization/person asking about Sensei Nunes.
In Portuguese:
Caro Sensei
Chamo-me Miguel António Nóbrega Lobeiro, e venho por este meio trazer à luz um assunto desagradável, mas que por várias vezes me deixou na dúvida.
Lamento desde já trazer-lhe este assunto em consideração, mas já não sei a quem recorrer.
Pratico várias artes marciais, e tenho assistido a seminários no estrangeiro dessas artes nas quais se inclui o Jujitsu.
Acontece que um seu ex aluno, com dez anos de prática é já 7º Dan. Isso não me incomoda.
Incomoda-me é que eu não treinando com ele, tenha de o ouvir dizer no estrangeiro que Jujitsu em Portugal é com ele, que é instrutor do verdadeiro Judo, ou que o Judo e o Jujitsu em Portugal estão estagnados e por isso é que ele só estuda no estrangeiro.
Com alguma dificuldade tenho-me calado, mas vontade não me falta de o desmascarar quando ele afirma estas barbaridades e parece que no estrangeiro acreditam nisto.
Tenho-me sempre apresentado como praticante de Muay Thai, do qual ele também diz ser instrutor, e se calhar por ele desconhecer que eu conheço alguma da realidade do Judo e do Jujitsu em Portugal é que afirma estas coisas sem pudor.
Refiro-me claramente a Helder Nunes. Eu não tenho a certeza do percurso marcial deste senhor, e apesar de eu acreditar que é falso, tenho mesmo de perguntar, existe algum fundo de verdade no que ele diz?
Esta é uma questão muito desagradável, e que só uma raiva profunda me obriga a apresentar a si, pois perdi o pudor nestes assuntos no momento em que vi a craveira técnica do sujeito em questão.
Devido à natureza e forma do que lhe pergunto, compreenderei perfeitamente o não obter qualquer resposta, no entanto caso me queira dar algo, de informativo, não só lhe agradeço como deixo presente que lamento a minha necessidade de lhe colocar esta situação tanto como é minha vontade também de desmentir este cavalheiro perante outros quando o ouvir falar desta forma em seminários a que eu assista.
Com os meus melhores cumprimentos
Miguel Lobeiro
In English
Dear Sensei
My name is Miguel António Nóbrega Lobeiro, and i by this email bring to light a very unpleasant subjet, but that so many times left me in doubt.
I am really sorry to bring this subject into consideration, but I don’t know who else to go for help.
I practice several martial arts and I attend very seminars abroad, and Jujitsu is also an art I practice. Well one ex student of yours, has 10 years of practice and is already a 7ºDan. That does not bothers me. What bothers me is that I must hear him abroad saying that Jujitsu in Portugal is with him, he says of himself that he his a real Judo instructor and that Judo and Jujitsu in Portugal are anacronic that’s why he only studies abroad.
I have kept my mouth shut, with difficulty, but I have a strong will to expose him when he says this lies, and it seems that abroad he his believed and respected.
I pass always as a Muay Thai student, he says of himself that he is a Muay Thai instructor, and that’s why he says these things about Judo and Jujutsu in Portugal without any shame on his face.
I clearly refer to Helder Nunes. I am not sure of his martial background, and although I believe it’s a fake one, I really must ask, is it true what he says?
This is a very unpleasant question, and only a deep anger forces me to ask it, since I have seen this incompetent technician.
Due to the nature of what I ask I will understand if you don’t answer me, but if you want to give me any information I will be very grateful, in my wish to expose this gentleman in front of others when I hear him talk like this in seminars where I am present.
With my best compliments
Miguel Lobeiro
Answer from Leote Menau, from Academia de Judo de Quarteira
<judo@policromia.org> (Shihan Nunes claims he studied Judo from this Sensei)
In portuguese
Caro Senhor , Manuel …Não sei como chegou a mim , mas sou praticante de judo desde 1967 e faço ju-jitsu desde 77 . conheço o Hélder desde miúdo , nunca foi meu aluno , ele fez judo em Altura , o mestre dele era o Reinaldo , foi para Coimbra estudar , era 2kyu . e apareceu há 4 anos atrás com o 1 kyu neste momento e’ 1 dan de judo . O 1 dan de ju-jitsu foi oferecido pelo sr. Luís Fernandes , outras graduações por Allan .
Caro amigo não me conhece , se conhece-se sabia perfeitamente que não tenho nem nunca teria um aluno assim .
10 – 11 de Outubro 2009 17 Estagio Internacional de Artes Marciais do Algarve aparece , terei todo o prazer em conhecer-te
Um abraço saudações desportivas Leote Menau
In english
Dear Sir, Manuel
I dont know how you got to me but I am a Judo practitioner since 1967 and of Ju jitsu since 1977. I know Helder since he has just a kid, we was never my student, he practiced Judo in Altura, his Sensei was Reinaldo, he then went to Coimbra to study, we was 2º Kyu, and he appeared 4 years ago with 1º Kyu. Right now he is 1st Dan of Judo.
His 1st Dan of Jujitsu was offered to him by Mr. Luis Fernandes, other graduations by Alain.
Dear friend you don’t know me if you did you would know that I don’t have or would have a student like this.
10-11 October 2009 17 Algarve Martial Arts Seminar, show up, I will have all the pleasure in knowing you.
Best wishes sport greetings Leote Menau
From Alain Massart
alainmassart@alfa.fcdef.uc.pt (he was Nunes Judo teacher in the University of Coimbra, and was the only one with balls, when Nunes arrived at His dojo with a black belt in Jujitsu, when he was a 1st kyu in Judo, Sensei Alain told him to put a white belt. Since then he never practiced Judo.
In Portuguese
A menos que ele teria reiniciado o Judo, o sujeito é de facto cinto
castanho de Judo, e sem curiculo relevante na modalidade.
A formação Ju Jistu que tem passou por varias escolas, incluido a escola
de Mestre Luis Fernandes onde teve alguns problemas, ate encontrar uma
escola que lhe permitisse progredir de forma quase "exponencial" nas suas
graduações.
È um facto que qualquer um pode criar um estilo proprio de "Arte Marcial"
e o chamar Ju Jitsu ou Jutsu, autograduar-se e depois graduar os seus
alunos. Escolas deste genro, existem em tudo o mundo incluido em portugal,
algumas delas criarão as suas proprias federações. Basta encontrar uma que
necessita de crescer e tenha pouco incomodo a atribuir graduações express
e a coisa esta feita! Não há nada de ilegal, nem meios para fiscalizar!
Nao sei qual é a escola a qual o sujeito esta afiliado, sei que a
progressao na graduação dele è anormal em relação aos padroes do Judo ou
do Karate. Ele tem um bom sentido para se introduzir em varios meios e
para ser divulgado nos medias.
Se esta irritado com os seu comportamento, nao adiante o enfrentar, porque
ele nao faz nada de ilegal. O melhor seria de ignorar-lhe e continuar na
sua formação apostando numa pratica de qualidade, porque é do constraste
que se distingam a qualidade e a sombria. E a verdadeira qualidade acabe
sempre por ser reconhecida.
Um abraço
AM
In english
Unless he had started again in Judo, he is in fact a Judo brown belt, and with no important relevance in the sport.
His Jujitsu learning, passed through many schools, including the school of Sensei Luís Fernandes, where he had a few problems, until he could find a school that would allow him to progress ‘exponentially’ in his martial degrees.
It is a fact that anyone can create his own style of ‘martial art’ and call it Jujitsu or jutsu, to graduate himself and then graduate others and his own pupils. Schools of this kind exist all over the world and in Portugal, a few of those will create their own Federations.
Just find one that needs to grow and has no trouble giving express graduations, and the thing is done! There is nothing illegal, nor the means to supervise it.
I don’t know in what school he is affiliated, I know that his progression in graduation is not normal regarding Judo or Karate patterns. He has a good sense to involve himself in several environments and to be advertised by the media.
If you are angry with him or his behavior, its no good to confront him, he has done nothing illegal. The best is to ignore him, and keep practicing a quality practice, because it his from the contrast that you can tell the quality and the shadow. True quality at the end, is always recognized.
Best wishes
AM
From Federação Portuguesa Jujutsu
<fpjujutsu@gmail.com> - this was the only organization in Portugal to give him a black belt, because he was a 1st Kyu and forged a black belt diploma in Judo, so they gave him equivalent graduation. Their board has changed since then, but they still have the fooled Sensei, Sensei Luis Fernando.
In Portuguese
Senhor Miguel
No seguimento da sua comunicação, à qual não se descortina o sentido, aqui apresentamos a resposta.
Os seus assuntos pessoais com outras entidades não nos dizem respeito, no entanto no assunto em questão sentimos que temos o dever de esclarecer, apesar de não sabermos qual é a sua intenção neste caso.
A pessoa em questão, o citado Hélder Nunes, apresentou-se à Federação Portuguesa de Jujutsu há cerca de dez anos. Apresentou ao então Director Técnico e Presidente, Mestre Luís Fernando, e seus pares do conselho técnico um diploma que certificava ser detentor de 1º Dan em Judo, e outros certificados de participação em estágios de defesa pessoal. Solicitava na altura equivalência na graduação em Jujutsu para de acordo com as suas palavras poder ensinar Jujutsu em Coimbra.
Tal foi-lhe concedido, a troco de cumprir o programa técnico e participar em estágios organizados pela Federação Portuguesa de Jujutsu de modo a suprir a lacuna técnica que detinha.
Cerca de nove meses depois, o Presidente da Federação Portuguesa de Jujutsu, Mestre Luís Fernando assiste a um estágio em Barcelona onde encontra o sujeito em questão. Ostentava o 3º Dan.
A partir desse momento foram cortadas relações, e desde aí não temos mais nada a ver com esse assunto.
De notar ainda que mais tarde descobrimos não só que o diploma de 1º Dan em Judo era falso, como outras coisas que não vale a pena mencionar.
Este caso trouxe profundas alterações e perturbações à Federação Portuguesa de Jujutsu, na medida em que foram criadas directivas mais profissionais com vista a não permitir a repetição de situações semelhantes, trazendo também alterações a nível directivo da própria Federação.
Presto este esclarecimento como reconhecimento de uma falha da nossa responsabilidade, que não se voltará a repetir, e este esclarecimento é prestado com algum pudor, pois a par de lamentar que tenhamos anteriormente cometido este erro, lamentamos também as repercussões que o mesmo teve, tem e terá no Jujutsu em Portugal.
Não serão prestados mais esclarecimentos acerca deste assunto, uma vez que para a organização é um assunto a lembrar, mas passado.
Cordialmente
João Figueiredo
Secretário de Direcção
Federação Portuguesa de Jujutsu e Disciplinas Associadas
In english
Mr. Miguel
Following your comunication, for wich we make no sense of it, here is the answer.
Your personal business with other entities are of no concern to us, yet, about this subject we feel we have the duty to explain what happened, although we don’t know what are your intentions in this case.
The person in question, Hélder Nunes, presented himself to the Jujutsu Portuguese Federation, about ten years ago. He showed to the then technical coordinator and president, Sensei Luis Fernando and to the Federation technical council a diploma that certified him as a Judo black belt, along with other certificates of participating in self defense seminars. He asked at that time the same degree he had in Judo, in Jujutsu so that he could teach Jujutsu in Coimbra.
It was granted that to him, but in return he had to fulfill our technical program so that he could know something of Jujutsu.
About nine months later, our President, Sensei Luís Fernando, goes to a seminar in Barcelona and he finds him. He was a 3rd Dan.
From that moment all relations were cut, and since then we have nothing to do with this subject.
Note that later we found that his 1st Dan in Judo diploma was false, among other things that don’t need to be mentioned now.
This case brought profound disturbances and modifications to the Portuguese Jujutsu Federation, we created guidelines more professional so that something like this could no longer happen, also brought modifications in the board of our Federation.
I enlighten about this subject because we recognize our fault, it was our responsibility it wont happen again, as we are deeply sorrow about the implications of this case in Portuguese Jujutsu.
We will give no further information about this subject, this is something for us not to forget, but it is in the past.
Kind regards
João Figueiredo
Board Secretary
Portuguese Jujutsu Federation and associated disciplines
From Soke Brian Cheek – that gave him 4th Dan, Nunes very grateful trade him for Morris, because he knew they were angry with each other
soke@webbsma.com
<soke@webbsma.com>
Dear Sir,
I thank you for the information which you sent to my representative in Canada and which was duly forwarded on to me regarding Helder Nunes.
We are not surprised by your comments as we had some unfortunate experiences with this person and it is due to this that we have been loathe to appoint a new National representative for Portugal, as we do not wish to have these problems again.
Again thank you for the information and we wish you well in your future training.
Sincerely;
Soke Bryan Cheek
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Well, comrades of forum, evidence was recquired from me.
I am not proud, because I have exposed people and organizations.
But this must be cleared, Portugal is a small country, and a poser like this one is harmful for potential practitioners.
You can all translate this emails and letters, from any web translator. I did my best to keep them as close to original as it can get.
If you doubt me about the origin, please feel free to contact these people and organizations.
Shihan Nunes is 2nd Dan for Juan Gomes from Spain, member of Webbs. Sensei Tattershal gave him 3rd Dan, Cheek 4th Dan, Morris 5th Dan, Karlsson 6th Dan.
I maintain what I say, he is a fraud.
Is this valid in your eyes?
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Originally Posted by It is Fake
Well, not be a pain, but i presented what was requested from me.
KellyD and Stungun did a counter campaign (my oppinion) and this thread was put in YMAS, wich it seems to be not as 'serious' as it was before.
I have contacted via PM It Is a Fake, the Mod, i got no answer.
It seems to me unfair, i got the trouble to confirm my accusations, contacting the persons and organizations involved.
Now, not a word about this subject.
At least a Mod should put it where it was initially.
To your consideration
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Probably i am dumb.
1)False Judo Diploma - proved, by email of the portuguese Jujitsu federation
2)Brown belt in Judo (he can be a black belt now, but only for the past 3 or 4 years), proved by email of Sensei Alain, that mentioned also his Modus operandi
3)Never learned the Jujitsu Curriculum
4)None of his previous teachers respects him
5)In nine years achieves 6th Dan
6)plagerism
7)uses international representation, of certain organizations like WEBBS and JJI to climb the belt ladder, and enter the belt exchange routine.
Proofs
Mainly by email:
«I dont know how you got to me but I am a Judo practitioner since 1967 and of Ju jitsu since 1977. I know Helder since he has just a kid, we was never my student, he practiced Judo in Altura, his Sensei was Reinaldo, he then went to Coimbra to study, we was 2º Kyu, and he appeared 4 years ago with 1º Kyu. Right now he is 1st Dan of Judo.»
1) Leote Menau - Judo Sensei and Algarve Judo coordinator - proves that until 4 years ago he was 1st kyu not 1st Dan, therefore confirms the falsification accusation.
«His 1st Dan of Jujitsu was offered to him by Mr. Luis Fernandes, other graduations by Alain.
Dear friend you don’t know me if you did you would know that I don’t have or would have a student like this.»
2)1st Dan was offered, not deserved. On the basis of falsification. He is notorious, not respected as you may read.
« Unless he had started again in Judo, he is in fact a Judo brown belt, and with no important relevance in the sport.
His Jujitsu learning, passed through many schools, including the school of Sensei Luís Fernandes, where he had a few problems, until he could find a school that would allow him to progress ‘exponentially’ in his martial degrees.»
3)Sensei Alain - Was a brown belt and with no great technical skills, from the person who trained him in Coimbra, and told him to put a white belt, when he arrived at the dojo with a black belt in Jujutsu. Subtle irony about the adequate school for his exponential development.
«It is a fact that anyone can create his own style of ‘martial art’ and call it Jujitsu or jutsu, to graduate himself and then graduate others and his own pupils. Schools of this kind exist all over the world and in Portugal, a few of those will create their own Federations.
Just find one that needs to grow and has no trouble giving express graduations, and the thing is done! There is nothing illegal, nor the means to supervise it.
I don’t know in what school he is affiliated, I know that his progression in graduation is not normal regarding Judo or Karate patterns. He has a good sense to involve himself in several environments and to be advertised by the media.
If you are angry with him or his behavior, its no good to confront him, he has done nothing illegal. The best is to ignore him, and keep practicing a quality practice, because it his from the contrast that you can tell the quality and the shadow. True quality at the end, is always recognized.»
Words from a great and true educator and man.
4)Modus operandi - «I know that his progression in graduation is not normal regarding Judo or Karate patterns. He has a good sense to involve himself in several environments and to be advertised by the media.»
5) Portuguese Jujutsu Federation - from Sensei Luis Fernando (that gave him a black belt in Jujutsu, after receiving a forged Judo black belt diploma)
«The person in question, Hélder Nunes, presented himself to the Jujutsu Portuguese Federation, about ten years ago. He showed to the then technical coordinator and president, Sensei Luis Fernando and to the Federation technical council a diploma that certified him as a Judo black belt, along with other certificates of participating in self defense seminars. He asked at that time the same degree he had in Judo, in Jujutsu so that he could teach Jujutsu in Coimbra.
It was granted that to him, but in return he had to fulfill our technical program so that he could know something of Jujutsu.
About nine months later, our President, Sensei Luís Fernando, goes to a seminar in Barcelona and he finds him. He was a 3rd Dan.
From that moment all relations were cut, and since then we have nothing to do with this subject.
Note that later we found that his 1st Dan in Judo diploma was false, among other things that don’t need to be mentioned now.»
6)Proved that he is a forger, liar, and uses organizations to progress in belt rising.
7) I already proved in earlier posts, that he commited plagium.
Is this the correct way to present my arguments and claims?
If not, tell me howto, please.
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Better.
Now, I'm going to explain a few thing so this doesn't leave MABS again.
I said this earlier I will repeat it again.
Post facts when making allegations.
If you say he has a forged document, letters from the organization leaders are needed. Video of a failed test (yes, this has occurred). An interview taped legally (this has happened). Swearing out an affidavit (yes this has happened) is another sign of hard evidence.
The emails are good but they are just a start. You now need help in proving everything you have claimed.
Emails, videos of the subject, links with the original claims, emails, photos of certificates and interviews are good.
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Ok, i will do my best in proceeding the investigation.
I also ask for anyone interested to give a help.
Two, three, four heads think better than one and eight arms do more work than just two.
It is Fake, thank you for moving the post to where it belongs.
(i only wish i had real female cheerleaders as my fans ;) )
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