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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherserge
    So, what about the other 6 ko's?
    He doesn't have 6 other KOs; he has 2, and if you're going to point to his KOs of Zuluzhinho and Hiroya Takada as proof of excellent striking I don't think this discussion is likely to go anywhere productive.

    And if were discussing MMA, beating on Nogieura's head for the duration of a match is pretty good striking. Part of the point to this kind of striking is that it works well standing up and on the ground.

    Take a traditionalist striker off his feet and you get much less effectiveness out of the punches.
    You're seriously arguing that his striking is good because he has excellent GnP? Seriously **** off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nnate
    Did you mention to your friend that Fedor can actually trap a resisting opponent ?

    Yeah, but his response was basically, "That clearly works, and is effective, but it's just not pure Wing Chun."
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    I'm just going off the Wiki-entry, which includes Dr stoppages. Not that accurate fer sure.

    But if good striking on the ground isn't...what? good striking? then you're more of a dumbfuck than I ever thought possible...
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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherserge
    But if good striking on the ground isn't...what? good striking? then you're more of a dumbfuck than I ever thought possible...
    Good Gnp technique and good striking technique are completely different things, and having one does not prove you have the other.

    Otherwise we'd be discussing Matt Hughes' fantastic striking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Cephalopod
    Good Gnp technique and good striking technique are completely different things, and having one does not prove you have the other.

    Otherwise we'd be discussing Matt Hughes' fantastic striking.
    For instance: Matt Hughes, Rickson, Mark Coleman: good top-control+paddy-cake punches

    I'm not asserting that Fedor=Anderson Silva #for# as a striker, but his punching is consistent and effective standing or grounded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Cephalopod
    Good Gnp technique and good striking technique are completely different things, and having one does not prove you have the other.

    Otherwise we'd be discussing Matt Hughes' fantastic striking.
    Pushups again.

    Distance, timing, defense, footwork, , limbs you can strike with, amount of danger to yourself...these things all change completely from standing to when you're on the ground. Ceph is 100% right again.
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    Uh, why use a kickboxing definition for a mma fighter? He's the best in the world at ground-and-pound. Striking from the mount, or side-control etc. is it's own skill, at which, he's the best there is.

    I think this is becoming a forms vs fighting debate. No Fedor's punching doesn't make him look like a pure striker, but who's better at punching into the clinch? or striking an opponent who's down from a standing position? or within the clinch? or for that matter, who in the world has a better haymaker?

    Many great pure strikers couldn't hang in mma. So isn't a judgment of his skill, relative to the sport he competes in?

    Whether or not his techniques work for everyone, I think, is a different question than "is he a good striker". He's a fucking awesome striker, as evidenced by him beating the **** out of many/most of the toughest mma fighters in the world, over a period of several years.

    Reflexes: awesome
    Accuracy: ask Tim Silvia
    Clinchwork: unparalleled
    Chin: Holy ****
    Endurance: Freakish
    Spacial Awareness: Divine..srsly, like the damn blue eagles
    Training Methodology: Like friggin Rocky in the wilderness.
    Record against powerful strikers: He beat them all up.
    Times he's been knocked unconscious due to poor form: zero

    AA isn't the striker Fedor is. Fancy **** that has no lasting effect, only counts in points..who here really thought the thing would go to the cards?
    AA is an amazing striker, but couldn't hang, it was just a matter of time. Fedor not getting the first several kick catch attempts, doesn't mean he was in danger. He attempted several counters, before landing ONE, and ending the fight.
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    bad form is bad form whether your wearing MMA gloves or boxing gloves. Fedor's striking is great for MMA because you don't have to be a super techical striker to **** people up in MMA. That doesn't mean having better striking technique wouldn't make you a better striker in MMA. Awesome kickboxers that transfer over to MMA somehow still manage to be the awesome strikers of MMA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidSpatula
    Fedor's striking is great for MMA because you don't have to be a super techical striker to **** people up in MMA.
    ??? yes you do. That's like saying you don't need good striking in teh str33t, because it's easy to **** someone up. Smaller gloves just increase the hurt, they don't remove the need for effective striking.


    Awesome kickboxers that transfer over to MMA somehow still manage to be the awesome strikers of MMA.
    I disagree, unless you mean awesome strikers in that, they lost by other means, and not by strikes. mma history is littered with strikers who couldn't adapt to a more free-range form of fighting.

    Someone could have better 'boxing' or 'MT' or chainpunches, but who's clocked more people, receiving so little in return, in mma? Who hits more effectively?
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    Until Fedor's techniques are used successfully by other fighters all the "Kickboxing Strikers" who say his form sucks are right. How many more KOs have we seen from good Kickboxing technique? How many times has Fedor himself broken his own hand? How poorly did "baby fedor" do at affliction?

    Take Fedor's iron chin and amazing accuracy out of the equation and you get a lot of sloppy technique that other people aren't making work.
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