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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherserge
    hmmm, so he KO's Arlovski, which is his 7th KO in MMA, but his striking technique is blah? Arlovski was coached by Freddie Roach ya'know?
    KOing a dude with a glass chin doesn't mean your striking technique is unquestionable, especially when the KO comes after being outstruck for the rest of the match and is the result of your opponent going for a completely telegraphed flying knee.

    I'm not saying Fedor's technique is good or bad, but the only thing "HE KOED ARLOVSKI OMG" is proof of is that he might be as good a striker as Viacheslav Datsik.
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    Datsik fought 'Lovski years ago. I dare say he's a bit better now than he was back then. And Fedor went toe-to-toe with Mirko fucking Filippovic and got the better of him. I will therefore also make the claim that his standup is pretty darn good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawarma
    Datsik fought 'Lovski years ago. I dare say he's a bit better now than he was back then. And Fedor went toe-to-toe with Mirko fucking Filippovic and got the better of him. I will therefore also make the claim that his standup is pretty darn good.
    Bob Sapp has beaten Ernesto Hoost twice. Let us discuss Sapp's awesome striking technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Cephalopod
    Bob Sapp has beaten Ernesto Hoost twice. Let us discuss Sapp's awesome striking technique.
    Oh snap.

    Mirko had some great power, but he was always a little one-dimensional...left straight, left high kick, left body kick, right leg kick. Mix up the order, and you've got a CroCop gameplan. Fedor's striking has never been top-notch. If it had been, tell me he couldn't have taken out HMC on the feet instead of pulling guard. Fedor's just always had the ability to use superior grappling against anyone who threatens him standing.

    Arlovski was certainly giving him some trouble standing, but the dude (like Ceph said) has a glass chin.
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    Fedor's best striking ability is and always wlll be on the ground.

    Otherwise he doesn't really excel at any one aspect of fighting. He's just good all round. He's versatile, strong, and ruthless. His striking may be a little sloppy, but he's extremely accurate, and hits extremely hard. His timing is unbelievable, both standing and on the ground, and he is able to use pretty basic grappling techniques very effectively.

    Fedor wins fights because he is intelligent, and tough as nails.

    Back on to the OP's topic: I actually don't mind the kick, pushing forward at the hip - it's not that far removed from a drill we sometimes do to practice leg kicks with a partner - both you and your partner stand on guard facing each other then you take turns lightly swinging your shin until it rests against the sweet spot on their quadriceps, then with that same forward hip thrust that Fedor describes, you push off and return to your neutral stance. Rinse and repeat.

    It seems a little more practical and less awkward than the punch, anyway.
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    He's accurate, and knows how to get his body weight behind a punch. Because of this, he can throw punches that are a little goofy stylistically, and still knock people out. Haymakers work just fine if you've got the targeting and weight behind them. See Liddel, Tank Abbot, etc. Now you throw in the fact that he's a world class grappler with a chin like iron...

    Now does that mean that the mortals can pull off his style punches? Without being able to get their bodyweight behind it? Without the targeting? Without the world class grappling to back it up? Without the freakish iron chin?

    Sure. Maybe now and then. But then sometimes you might get hit on the button as you loop that punch. You're not Fedor, so you might be going down.
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    With all this talk of Fedor's book, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the section on trapping.

    Y'know trapping. Like the Wing Chun/JKD stuff.
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    lol,

    Quote Originally Posted by Fedor
    When you're close enough to punch your opponent, the chances are he will keep his arms up to protect his head, making it difficult for you to land a clean punch to his face. A great way to increase your odds is to utilize a hand trap.
    I showed the two entries that incorporate a hand trap to a chunner friend of mine ("Lead inside Hand trap to Right Cross" and "Lead Outside Hand trap to Straight Cross"), and he said that technically, Fedor's trapping isn't "good chun" as he put it.

    basically, it consists of slapping the opponent's hand to displace it enough so you can cleany throw a cross through the gap, and there is no intention to immobilize or lock a limb, as per standard chun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Cephalopod
    KOing a dude with a glass chin doesn't mean your striking technique is unquestionable, especially when the KO comes after being outstruck for the rest of the match and is the result of your opponent going for a completely telegraphed flying knee.

    I'm not saying Fedor's technique is good or bad, but the only thing "HE KOED ARLOVSKI OMG" is proof of is that he might be as good a striker as Viacheslav Datsik.
    So, what about the other 6 ko's?

    And if were discussing MMA, beating on Nogieura's head for the duration of a match is pretty good striking. Part of the point to this kind of striking is that it works well standing up and on the ground.

    Take a traditionalist striker off his feet and you get much less effectiveness out of the punches.
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    I showed the two entries that incorporate a hand trap to a chunner friend of mine ("Lead inside Hand trap to Right Cross" and "Lead Outside Hand trap to Straight Cross"), and he said that technically, Fedor's trapping isn't "good chun" as he put it.

    basically, it consists of slapping the opponent's hand to displace it enough so you can cleany throw a cross through the gap, and there is no intention to immobilize or lock a limb, as per standard chun.

    Did you mention to your friend that Fedor can actually trap a resisting opponent ?

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