The problem with most BJJ/Sub rules from my perspective as a guy who likes to throw people is that throws are deemphasized too much. The ones I'm familiar with had sweep into position and throw into position score equally. My dream ruleset would still have the concept of an ippon throw. It would just use somewhat different/stricter criteria.
Also, my dream rules penalize butt flopping with public flogging.
Last edited by HappyOldGuy; 2/03/2009 3:15pm at .
From a Judo perspective the problem with NAGA rules is that all takedowns are worth only 2 points, but in reality not all takedowns and throws are created equal.
Originally Posted by WhiteShark
I recently visited a judo school to watch a class (not participate, was feeling sick) to consider whether or not it was a school I might have interest in.
During newaza training, the instructor reminded everyone that their was a new rule change when you had someone in a pin. If I remember correctly, he said that you could no longer keep your head down while you had a pin (chin tucked into chest, looking at your partners body, I guess), and that it had to be up, that is, no longer looking at the guy you are pinning, but past him, like the wall behind him.
Being a judo newb, I'm not sure what effect this is supposed to have on the game, but does this make it harder to get pins, or did I just hear him incorrectly about the whole thing? Does this have something to do with jigotai, or whatever that is? I was wondering what the effect of this rule will have on the newaza aspect of judo, and also on the overall game.
Just curious if judo is heading down the wrong path by adding rules in order to serve a misconception that judo should be and stay like it was in the late 1800's, as mentioned above, or if it is just doing its best to distinguish itself from other grappling arts, and is just changing the rules to make it more modern?
I think if it does go back to how it was in the "18th century", it will eventually lose much of its application and respect, and will slowly become one of they many TMAs where there are kata and one-steps aplenty, without the pressure-testing of randori.
I hope this is not the case.
This is why I think Sambo is the way to go, and why I have no interest. Not in judo asits done now.
I think removing Koka sucks. I fought in a Judo tourney about a month ago and the refs spent about an hour going over the new rules. To add - at least at this tournament - uniform restrictions are being enforced with an iron fist. They made me cut my belt because it was too long.
What? I can't find that anywhere. I think that instructor must have must have misinterpreted the rule changes somehow with incredibly bizarre logic.
Originally Posted by ZenOfAnger
Problems with sport Sambo:
Originally Posted by 1point2
1)no chokes (lolwut?)
2)no twisting locks: ude garami/kimura/americana/omoplata, toeholds, heelhooks
Freestyle sambo corrects most of these problems but sadly doesn't have an Ippon/Total Victory, narrowly missing perfection.
I don't really mind the rules. Notice that it doesn't say you can't do singles/doubles etc, you just can't stay bent over and defensive and you can't use pant grabs to help a crappy shot.
Originally Posted by Just Guess
Well, the instructor was blind (no joke). I just wanted to mention it, because I was not sure if I had misheard him, and that he was actually talking about another rule and I am just too much of a newb to understand what he said correctly. If anyone does know of a rule change that does say something about head position during a pin, I'd like to know.
Actually there was something regarding doubles, you have to do it with proper kuzushi, no more just shooting for the legs and hope the person trips
Originally Posted by Blue Negation
Originally Posted by Phrost
The Mighty McClaw to Fox when refusing to fight AnnaT.
Originally Posted by Phrost
Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw
Wingchundo's response after I called him a "*****"
Originally Posted by wingchundo
You sure? There was nothing mentioned about single or double leg takedowns. I actually saw a couple, one for Ippon.
Originally Posted by El Neko
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