Paul Cave - martial arts / MMA instructor?

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 2/04/2012 3:23am

Watch what happens. He'll go train and then suddenly say he is ranked in BJJ. It'll be ture, but we will never hear about the actual rank.

**donnosamurai** · Posted On: 4/23/2012 7:52am

i have studies under this so called martial arts "guru" paul cave, but instead for years you will do the same stuff over and over and whatever he sais can not be questioned or discussed. when you join this so called nma you become a number and a pawn in his hands and in the hands of his puppet dog karel van der merwe...please stay away. you can ask as much as you want you will never het any valid response regarding paul cave's training.....personally i think he studies from dvd's and then RULE the dojos witj no question's asked.

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donnosamurai

**Bullwhip** · Posted On: 4/27/2012 11:42am

The problem is some students just like to walk around and ask questions. My instructor was very qualified and very good, but he hated those questions.

**slamdunc** · Posted On: 4/28/2012 8:17pm

Originally Posted by Bullwhip

My instructor was very qualified and very good, but he hated those questions.

My primary instructor (1983-2004) was also well qualified and loved the questions. The older he got, the more he liked to talk. He also delegated a lot of the teaching down to his senior students (talked more, taught less).
Instructors should be able to answer questions about their art.

**donnosamurai** · Posted On: 4/30/2012 6:11am

Originally Posted by kickassfighter

Hey Guys

I'm new to this, but I have done some research on the whole NMA Paul Cave scene. I think some of you miss a very important point here. You are all looking at face value. Obviously that is exactly that, face value. Go read up on the website. You will find some credentials there. But the NMA is a much bigger picture than any of you are aware of. Paul Caves NMA is the largest organisation in SA. With 74 affiliated clubs all over SA they specialise in Kickboxing and MMA. Hence Kickboxing.co.za. The other styles they offer are based on a "self defense", "mixed martial arts" perspective. Thus preparing you for a complete range of fighting. All this knowledge seems to have stemed from mr Cave travelling accross the glode doing seminars and specialised training sessions with different people.
The NMA is also the ISKA franchise in SA. Which means the ISKA world Champs which includes Pride, traditional, Muay Thai, even Capoeira is all directly portrayed by DESTINY, the SA Champs. Mr Cave and his partner Phil Anderson has pioneered DESTINY and the ISKA South African Championships in such a way that anyone from various styles can enter as long as you stick to the ISKA rules. The offer a hybrid form of sport grappling which covers stand up striking (limited) as well as ground work. As much as I hate to admit, mr Caves JJ students excel in this. They are awesome. I heard they even beat some of the pure JJ competitors. (hearsay)
Anyway, alot can be said by various instructors. What does the car you drive have to do with your abilities? Just a thought? But what does matter is that mr Cave has the biggest and fastest growing organisation in SA. And they are hugely successful. Has any of you looked at the breaking? They have some instructors achieving incredible results for breaking on international level. They are good!!! But I suppose you would want to know who taught them breaking? And what belt they hold in it??
Come on guys, we are all MA's in our own right. Yes a lineage is important, but if it is so important, get off your ass and go to the class. I hear they offer a free demonstration class, no obligation.

yeah well if paul who can not show his so called cridentials cant proof himself....it sounds to me you are one of his puppet instructors trying to salvage something...go train with real with real teachers...

**Sovvolf** · Posted On: 5/06/2012 5:09pm

Well I've just read the entirety of this thread and noticed that it started in 2009, the last post was in 2012... Which means in just about 3 years we've still not found out if Paul Cave is a legitimate BJJ trainer... I'm saying it's fairly doubtful. Even a close friend of his didn't seem to either have the answers nor want to provide them. Though I did find it hilarious that such a simple question has been drawn out over years and we still don't have an answer :).

**bjjwizard** · Posted On: 10/12/2012 3:20am

I know this is a really old post but I felt I needed to come forward|Im a ex student at Paul Caves NMA and felt like I was not learning anything because the classes were quiet static kickboxing,points fighting,pad work etc. Only reason I stayed for so long was because of the friends I made at one of his dojo's. One particular incident I remember was when he adressed the class about the fees increase where accused other places as "Mickey Mouse" organizations and said other clubs/dojo's were one dimensional (Gracie Jiu Jitsu was mentioned) one thing I can tell you about Shihan Paul Cave:He treats martial arts like a business and a way to get rich.

**bjjwizard** · Posted On: 10/12/2012 3:25am

He is not a BJJ instructor/he is mostly a Goju Karate/Kickboxing instructor and he is arrogant and gets really angry when you question his techniques.I mean I was a white belt when I trained there and was submiting his black belt students.

**bjjwizard** · Posted On: 10/12/2012 4:15am

I've read his credentials. been to the website and does not mention any MMA/BJJ credentials such as his instructor Lineage when it comes to BJJ,Karate or any other techniques having trained with him its more like going to Karate/kickboxing doing points kumite two nights a week.Also Mr Cave walks around with this smug and arrogant attitude I WAS In a class where he called other gyms "Mickey Mouse schools" what upset me was he attacked Gracie Jiu Jitsu as a school for one dimentional people and for the select elite because of their fees. The equipment Mr Cave approves are not safe and often people get injured. With regards to his Jiu Jitsu students I find it funny that you pumping them up because when I was training at the NMA as a white belt I knew more submission holds then any of their black belts and had a Guard that none of them could pass.I remember him showing the senior students in the class a omoplata which he claims only higher belt ranks (Green to black in this case could learn) could learn as it was a bjj Black belt move and guess what a week later was pulling off the omoplata better then the black belts. I remember tapping a black belt with a triangle when I asked how come he didnt escape he said they were not taught a triangle escape yet......Its not about the car he drives its about his attitude when asked respectfully about he's bjj credentials....he runs the schools like a business and not a place of learning. I Agree you sound like one of his puppet instructors that licks the floor he walks on and sucks up to him at every turn.