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  1. Jim_Jude is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriendlyFire
    Actually, I have never heard that before, if you want to prevent it stop playing footsies with your training partner.
    Anyone who's played sports in high school or used communal showers knows the agonies of getting some really heinous athletes foot. Being a fagela with your little buddy out there isn't the only way. Sharing shoes & socks & **** is another way. Most people get it from locker room and communal shower situations.
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw
    It was good until he started advocating vertical fist punching.
    Palm strikes are still stupid, though. Yes, I know Bas Rutten has KO'd people with them.... In a sport where he wasn't allowed to KO them with his fists.
    It's like cutting a steak with a plastic knife. It'll get the job done, but another tool will do it better.
    Hahahahahahah

    Okay :notworthy
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

    "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
    ~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
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    And yet, almost none of the article gave any conclusive reasons as to why you shouldn't use a palm heel strike. Just the caution that if you miss your targeting, you could bend your wrist back too far. The same cautions apply to your fist- hit too low on your fist, and you can jam your knuckles or flex your wrist.

    I find that like any tool in the toolbox, there's a time and a place for it. In-close body shots, and strikes to very hard points (forehead) are all good candidates for a palm heel.
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    Why wouldn't you just throw a punch to the body since there's no risk of breaking your hand on the body? Also, why would you possibly want to hit someone in the forehead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
    Johnny, bend your elbow at 90 degrees and then turn your wrist. Note you can turn your forearm without moving your shoulder.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronati...of_the_forearm

    The join in question is between your radius and your ulna.

    I just tried it and turning from a horizontal to vertical fist involves a lot of shoulder movement on my jab and almost none on my cross.
    Well, I was looking mostly at jabs. Regardless, it doesn't happen at the wrist.
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidSpatula
    Also, why would you possibly want to hit someone in the forehead?
    For teh lulz.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Muerteds
    And yet, almost none of the article gave any conclusive reasons as to why you shouldn't use a palm heel strike. Just the caution that if you miss your targeting, you could bend your wrist back too far. The same cautions apply to your fist- hit too low on your fist, and you can jam your knuckles or flex your wrist.

    I find that like any tool in the toolbox, there's a time and a place for it. In-close body shots, and strikes to very hard points (forehead) are all good candidates for a palm heel.
    I find fists work a lot better than palms, regardless of whether you're hitting to the body or the head. And hitting someone in the forehead is always a stupid idea, unless you're using a baseball bat or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusdbrutus
    I find fists work a lot better than palms, regardless of whether you're hitting to the body or the head. And hitting someone in the forehead is always a stupid idea, unless you're using a baseball bat or something.
    I've known guys knocked clean the **** out with palm heels or elbows to the forehead, & right between the eyes. Drop the absolutes, you don't have the experience to say "always".

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    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

    "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
    ~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
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    Your forehead isn't between your eyes. The glabella kind of is.
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    MarcusDBrutus- punching someone in the foreheas is, indeed, a bad idea. Because foreheads are hard. However, a palm heel is more than capable of knocking a head back without injury to your hand.

    As to KidSpatula's
    question of why would you do it- because it hurts! It can also snap someone's head back, leaving their chin exposed.

    I also favor palm heel strikes to the ribs when I'm close in. Why not use a fist? I find I can get a good dig into the ribs. It hurts. I also find that I can hit up under a chin with a palm heel at greater range than I could than with an uppercut with my fist. Like I said, it's a tool in the toolbox. It's not something I use exclusively. It's also not something that is without use.
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