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    Quote Originally Posted by NJM
    "Do not put on the gloves for punching the bag, but use the bare knuckles. If at first they should get a little raw or rubbed, a few applications of weak tannic acid solution, or rosin, or good strong pickle out of the salt-pork barrel, will soon make the hands and knuckles tough."

    CAUCASIAN DIT DA JOW!

    Shh, it is legend.
    Fitzsimmons has a jow-like recipe in his section of Fox's boxing. It contains Laudinum. :-)

    There are also hints of jow-like knuckle rubs and liniments in other references for classic boxing.

    Peace favor your sword,
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    Quote Originally Posted by lklawson
    Fitzsimmons has a jow-like recipe in his section of Fox's boxing. It contains Laudinum.
    Kirk
    Somehow it seems like I won't be able to legally duplicate this.

    But thanks for the interesting info!

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    There are stories about bare-knuckle boxers bathing their knuckles and even faces in brine, vinegar etc. to toughen the skin. Apparently some of them also used to urinate on their hands after training ... tough sport.

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    I urinate on my hands before training.

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    Hey. Quick question, didn't want to start a new thread:

    I took a shin to the hand yesterday out of my own retardedness when we were doing an exercise without gloves on. It hit on the first knuckle, the big one, and jammed it back in and up under my hand (I was making a fist.)

    At the time it didn't really hurt, but I woke up this morning and when I make a tight fist it stings like I bruised the bone. There's really nothing I can do but lay off it, right?

    That and, of course, put horse urine on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Pfrenger
    I urinate on my hands before training.
    You win.

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    The main point of any of this jow stuff is to maintain circulation and prevent bruising, but also to act as an astringent. I think that brine or vinegar would do that. Urine too, interestingly enough. I know some older folks from the Midwest that talk about putting urine on their faces, ears and hands to prevent wind chapping & frostbite in those cold winters. Everyone I know that talks about it absolutely swears by it, either their own or horse urine (usually their own).
    Hey, we all know to piss on our feet in the shower to prevent athlete's foot & ****. I don't imagine that this would be any different.
    There's nothing in urine that isn't in blood, just in different concentrations. It's not waste, the kidney's are just running as a blood filter (basically). The liver runs the waste out, AS LONG AS YOU'RE RELATIVELY HEALTHY & DON'T USE DRUGS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR
    There are stories about bare-knuckle boxers bathing their knuckles and even faces in brine, vinegar etc. to toughen the skin. Apparently some of them also used to urinate on their hands after training ... tough sport.
    Well, there are lots of interesting refs.

    From:
    Title: Claret and Cross-Buttock
    ISBN: 0049200488
    Published: 1976
    Author: Joe Robinson

    "Some said he was an argument against the Ring: that he
    should'nt be let loose against a fightin' sportsman. That he fought like
    wild beast. That he never knew when to lay off. He hated gloves. Why go to
    all the trouble to pickle your hands in Tom Sayer's brew of turps, whiskey
    vinegar, horse radish and saltpetre, if ye were goin' to cover them up? Ye
    were supposed to use your hands to hurt him, not protect him."

    Here's the Fitzsimmons:
    Some trainers use a sort of pickling solution
    with which they pickle the hands, face and neck, in order that a
    blow will not cut the skin so readily. If my man had a very ten-
    der skin I might use something to toughen and harden his face,
    but as a rule I donít think that pickling the face and neck does any
    good. [...]
    To the hands, however, too much attention
    cannot be paid, and I have found nothing better than corned beef
    brine. This does not smell very nice, it is true, and should be ap-
    plied three times a day after eating. I would never allow my man
    to apply it before eating, as it might affect his stomach, which
    would be bad. But, although the brine does not smell anywhere
    near as good as Florida water, it does the business, and that is all
    that is required. After the brine is applied and well rubbed in,
    the following liniment should also be rubbed in. It can be
    obtained at any first class drug store, and the ingredients are as
    follows ; Laudanum, three ounces ; spirits of hartshorn, four
    ounces ; alcohol. one quart ; iodine, two ounces ; eucalyptic,
    three ounces. These mixed up together with ten cents worth of
    horseradish and five cents worth of alum, make a liniment which
    cannot be equalled for strengthening and hardening the bone, and
    when applied and well rubbed in it has a tendency to make a man
    feel fresh and strong.

    Dempsey says:
    Put camphor ice on your skinned knuckles before you go to bed. In a few weeks your knuckles will become calloused, and you'll have no more trouble with them.

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude
    Hey, we all know to piss on our feet in the shower to prevent athlete's foot & ****. I don't imagine that this would be any different.
    Actually, I have never heard that before, if you want to prevent it stop playing footsies with your training partner.

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    It was good until he started advocating vertical fist punching.
    Palm strikes are still stupid, though. Yes, I know Bas Rutten has KO'd people with them.... In a sport where he wasn't allowed to KO them with his fists.
    It's like cutting a steak with a plastic knife. It'll get the job done, but another tool will do it better.

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