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  1. NJM is offline
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    Putting the "ow" back in "flowery technique"

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     Style: CMA, MT

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    "Do not put on the gloves for punching the bag, but use the bare knuckles. If at first they should get a little raw or rubbed, a few applications of weak tannic acid solution, or rosin, or good strong pickle out of the salt-pork barrel, will soon make the hands and knuckles tough."

    CAUCASIAN DIT DA JOW!

    Shh, it is legend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJM
    "Do not put on the gloves for punching the bag, but use the bare knuckles. If at first they should get a little raw or rubbed, a few applications of weak tannic acid solution, or rosin, or good strong pickle out of the salt-pork barrel, will soon make the hands and knuckles tough."

    CAUCASIAN DIT DA JOW!

    Shh, it is legend.
    I heard of using alternating salt rub & HORSE URINE for busted knuckles. That kind of **** should STAY legend.
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

    "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
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    Posted On:
    1/19/2009 5:17am


     Style: Les Mills Bodycombat™

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    Alf Tupper (the tough of the track) used to use vinegar from the fish and chip shop to toughen his hands when he was training to box. Of course he was a comic book character and not real. He was still nails though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Pfrenger
    Maybe he graduated last in his class or maybe you just don't get what he is saying.
    He's saying there's some meaningful reason to hit with the vertical fist, and there isn't. He's going so far as to say there's some drastic biomechanical difference between the vertical fist and the horizontal - well the last time I checked out the biomechanics of my fucking arm, to pivot from a vertical to horizontal fist, it turns at the shoulder.

    The wrist is in the same relation to the knuckles either way.

    He claims you should spread the impact around as much as you can, and that's also seemingly contrary to obvious science - your thumbward two knuckles are substantially bigger and better anchored then the smaller two outside knuckles, and making contact with the outside knuckles seems to be inviting disaster.
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    The gift that keeps on giving

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
    to pivot from a vertical to horizontal fist, it turns at the shoulder.
    Elbow, not shoulder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve
    Elbow, not shoulder.
    Vertical fist: Bicep points up

    Horizontal fist: Bicep points sideways

    Unless there's a joint in my humerus I don't know about, my shoulder has to be turning.
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    Posted On:
    1/19/2009 7:56am

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    Johnny, bend your elbow at 90 degrees and then turn your wrist. Note you can turn your forearm without moving your shoulder.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronati...of_the_forearm

    The join in question is between your radius and your ulna.

    I just tried it and turning from a horizontal to vertical fist involves a lot of shoulder movement on my jab and almost none on my cross.
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    1/19/2009 8:52am


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    The author of that article is not a boxer or a fighter but a _ing __unner.

    I don't think the veritical fist has anything to do with the strength of the fist itself rather with the alignment of the elbow. With a vertical fist you keep your elbow down which is useful when fighting in close.
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    Posted On:
    1/19/2009 10:46am

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    He teaches the Chun but he is also big into to WMA recreation as well as full contact FMA and grappling. When I worked out with him all we did was stick work and grappling, but I only have one hand that works correctly so I generally don't punch anything.
  10. Kozma is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/19/2009 10:57am

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    Seems to me that using a vertical fist puts the weaker smaller pinky and ring knuckles in a better position to absorb force. However I would still try using the big ones. The vertical fist just makes accidently hitting with the last 2 safer
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