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  1. JKD1973-4-LIFE is offline

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    RESTART: Three Knuckle VS Two Knuckle

    I recently saw the old forum post debate about the 3 vs 2 knuckle leads. I think both methods work... obviously because both methods injure when struck with sufficient force. However I was intrigued when I read about Jack Dempsey and his power line, using the bottom three knuckles. I was even more interested when I read "the strait lead" by Teri Tom, emphasizing that Bruce Lee promoted the use of the bottom three knuckles, following the way of Dempsey. Now, I train in Aikido, and we are instructed to use the first two. Mainly for the reason of not injuring oneself, because there have been so many broken pinkys and knuckles. However, I find that the bottom three knuckles are a much more solid punch, more fluid, and you can execute the punch quicker. When you have to turn your arms to punch, it reduces the power and speed, at least in my perspective. I believe that both can be used effectively, as i said before, but I want to know what you think about it. you don't have to turn your hand if you punch with the bottom three and you can use more non-telegraphic movements when you execute them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKD1973-4-LIFE
    I recently saw the old forum post debate about the 3 vs 2 knuckle leads. I think both methods work... obviously because both methods injure when struck with sufficient force. However I was intrigued when I read about Jack Dempsey and his power line, using the bottom three knuckles. I was even more interested when I read "the strait lead" by Teri Tom, emphasizing that Bruce Lee promoted the use of the bottom three knuckles, following the way of Dempsey. Now, I train in Aikido, and we are instructed to use the first two. Mainly for the reason of not injuring oneself, because there have been so many broken pinkys and knuckles. However, I find that the bottom three knuckles are a much more solid punch, more fluid, and you can execute the punch quicker. When you have to turn your arms to punch, it reduces the power and speed, at least in my perspective. I believe that both can be used effectively, as i said before, but I want to know what you think about it. you don't have to turn your hand if you punch with the bottom three and you can use more non-telegraphic movements when you execute them.

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    My take is that you should be in newbie town.
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    I'm sure you do like three knuckles.
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    the king uses the whole fist
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    Posted On:
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    As long as you tickle my P-spot 2 or 3 knuckles isnt that important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake Plissken
    the king uses the whole fist
    I guess that gives the OP something to work twoards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKD1973-4-LIFE
    I recently saw the old forum post debate about the 3 vs 2 knuckle leads. I think both methods work... obviously because both methods injure when struck with sufficient force. However I was intrigued when I read about Jack Dempsey and his power line, using the bottom three knuckles. I was even more interested when I read "the strait lead" by Teri Tom, emphasizing that Bruce Lee promoted the use of the bottom three knuckles, following the way of Dempsey. Now, I train in Aikido, and we are instructed to use the first two. Mainly for the reason of not injuring oneself, because there have been so many broken pinkys and knuckles. However, I find that the bottom three knuckles are a much more solid punch, more fluid, and you can execute the punch quicker. When you have to turn your arms to punch, it reduces the power and speed, at least in my perspective. I believe that both can be used effectively, as i said before, but I want to know what you think about it. you don't have to turn your hand if you punch with the bottom three and you can use more non-telegraphic movements when you execute them.

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    My take is that you should use paragraphs as a courtesy to potential readers.
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    My take is that real men do grappling.

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    Me take is that nobody ever wants to talk about this subject when I bring it up either. They also say some nonsense like "Search Function N00b!" and I say, "But I'm not a noob, I've been here forever" and then they say, "Then you should've seen the original thread back in 1987, dickmouth," and then I say...

    TL;DR: Search Function, N00b
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