1/23/2009 1:25pm, #241
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I think we would have used the same stances for those fights. If the outcomes were painful, they would be modified over time. People who already have a practiced stance are likely slow to modify it. Have you practiced the older stance under pressure yet?Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie
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1/23/2009 1:27pm, #242Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
1/23/2009 1:28pm, #243Originally Posted by 1point2
Simple: Bare knuckle punches to the face + a desire to continue to have a successful career - hands anywhere below the waist - any strike except those with the fists =Spoiler:
1/23/2009 1:30pm, #244Originally Posted by 1point2
1/23/2009 1:41pm, #245Originally Posted by MrBadGuy
We've offered any number of resources that should allow anyone sufficiently curious to test this stuff for themselves, and I hope they do. If someone wants to go to that effort specifically to test how a modern boxer/MMAist does under LPR rules, then as I mentioned earlier, I think that would be a very interesting project.
1/23/2009 1:45pm, #246
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I was all for it in that original thread if you recall. Once I get non-crappy again at boxing, I fully plan to engadge in gentlemanly violence.
However, I don't know if I'll be able to break from my peekaboo.
1/23/2009 1:46pm, #247
The slippery slope about all of the revival/recreation of LPR is the repeated bare knuckle punches to the face. No one's willing to do this anymore, and thus something is going to be lost in the translation to gloves of whatever sort. Something big, methinks.
1/23/2009 1:48pm, #248Originally Posted by PeopleSoft
Have you practiced the older stance under pressure yet?
1/23/2009 1:54pm, #249Originally Posted by Hesperus
Why doesn't a jab or three completely destroy the low hands? What are they doing down there that is so damn productive--is it producing range? Because I don't think I buy that. When I produce range with mah kurrotty, my elbows are 125 degrees and hands at shoulder height.
Where I do see this stance in modern full-contact is Shotokan explosive point sparring, which is effectively (or actually) bareknuckle, but completely opposite the match length.
1/23/2009 2:05pm, #250Originally Posted by Hesperus
It takes real discipline to stick to the original style when you're wearing protection, precisely because the protection means that you don't have to be as wary as the old-timers did.
Likewise, since the LPR circuit has been dead and buried for well over a century, there's no money as an incentive for revival; the motivation has to be purely academic, as in "I really want to figure out how this stuff used to work." How much physical risk that curiosity is worth is up to individuals; personally, when I was actively interested in these answers, it wasn't to the degree that I was prepared to bareknuckle punch a sparring partner into bloody unconsciousness, nor risk that happening to me.
So, as with any similar martial reconstruction (for example, longsword sparring with body protection and weapon simulators that were not available during the Renaissance) you figure out the safety compromises that are least likely to have a negative impact on your study and proceed from there. You pressure-test the old material as honestly and intensely as you can within your self-imposed restrictions and cross-reference your results with those of recorded history, towards a better understanding of that history. That's the whole premise.
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