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  1. Hesperus is offline
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    Oakland Police shoot unarmed man

    http://www.ktvu.com/video/18409133/index.html

    This man certainly deserves his day in court, and I'm not so paranoid as to call this an "execution" (as the source I found the video from did), but do any of the officers here have any insight as to why he felt the need to pull his gun on an apparently restrained suspect?

    Also, any idea what he'll be charged with? I really think negligent homicide is undercutting the issue a little bit, and don't think third degree murder is out of the question. After all, what would an average citizen get if they pointed their gun at a cop and, well, accidentally (allegedly) pulled the trigger?

    EDIT: Found this shortly after posting.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAI9153CBO.DTL

    His lawyer is talking second-degree murder. No weapons were found, his hands were behind his back, and had cried out "Please don't Tase me, I have a 4-year-old daughter" at one point. The other detainees were held in handcuffs for five hours before being released without charges.
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    I'm guessing based on the situation they were in, and the officer's shocked reaction afterwards, that the officer mistook his handgun for his taser.... Big mistake.
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    He's been doing this for two years, is not knowing his ass from his elbow still really reasonable?
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    Better video: http://carlosmiller.com/2009/01/09/n...far-and-audio/

    Aren't tazers generally carried on the non-dominant side?
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    I have a question before I comment, was he using a Glock?

    added: Seems they allow tasers to be carried on the strong side, even though taser says you should wear it weak side, cross draw.

    There have been other shootings where the person pulled the gun rather than the taser.

    I found it odd that the bullet went through, bounced off the ground, then came back in and killed him. A good hollowpoint won't do that. Hardball will.

    I feel for everyone here...
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    We have a thread for this over at Sociocide. It's already at 10 pages and we even have a nutso anarchist ****-the-police type guy calling it an execution.
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    Yeah, screw those types.

    And I figured though it might be over there, I don't have an account and was hoping for other LEO's thoughts/opinions in this thread.
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    All your account info transfers over. Same name and password and everything. Lots of LEO types on that thread and a good discussion.
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    This is unfortunate and the cop is going to get the book thrown at him.

    All law enforcment officers are trained to use the minumum amount of force necessary. That means even if someone spits in your face. If they emediately turn around and put there hands behind there back. You are to cuff them and nothing more.

    I know, I have had this happen to me on duty.

    The cop in this situation may have made a mistake. But there was no reason to tase him either. I see no way to justify what he did. He is screwed.

    2 years on the job he should know the difference between his taser and his gun. No excuse. The whole department is going to get drawn into this. Fire arms instructors, training dept., supervisors, FTO's...it's gonna be ugly. Glad I'm not there.
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    He is not the only one who has made the exact same error.

    I understand "closing the barn door after the horse is gone," but at least close the barn door.

    If the error can be made, then make it so it can't be made.
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