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  1. Asriel is offline
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    No Carbs after Midday?

    I was just reading an interview with Hugh Jackman regarding his exercise regime for the new X-Men movie. He stated that he gets up at 4am to eat egg whites, trains for an hour and a half a day and doesn't eat carbs after midday.

    I already train for something like that and there's no fucking way I'm getting up at 4am without having to find a new Girlfriend but how feasible is it to not eat any carbs after Midday?

    If I'm doing an hour and a half of Jits in the evening, will I suffer if I don't get some carbs before hand?
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    http://ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3398

    Bit of a read but it is very solid information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asriel
    If I'm doing an hour and a half of Jits in the evening, will I suffer if I don't get some carbs before hand?
    Regardless of anything else, you should be eating/drinking carbohydrates immediately after strenuous physical activity. Glycogen is your friend, and cortisol is your enemy.
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    Thanks guys.

    I failed to mention that I do have a Recovery formula shake after training that contains, among other things, Carbs and Protein.

    Other than that though, I didn't ingest any carbs after midday and I actually felt better at training than normal. I felt a lot more alert and faster.
    " The reason elite level MMAists don't fight with aikido is the same reason elite level swimmers don't swim with their lips." - Virus

    " I shocked him with my skills on the ice becuase Wing Chun is great for hockey fighting." - 'Sifu' Milt Wallace

    "Besides, as you might already know (from Virus, for example) - there's only 1 wing chun and it sucks big time" - Tonuzaba

    "Even when I'm promising mayhem and butt-chicanery, I'm generally posting with a smile on my face." - Sochin101

    "That said, if he blocked my hip on a drop nage, I would extend my leg into a drop tai Otoshi and slam him so hard his parents would die." - MTripp

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    This is unsurprising. When you rely on carbs your insulin and therfore energy levels are fluctuating. Ketones are much more constant, people on high fat/protein low carb diets often say they become more clear thinking after the initial phase.

    You do want to get some carbs though, whether by cycling a carb up day into your week or taking them post workout to ensure you don't explode your thyroid.
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    This all seems very interesting. I allways have problems maintaining a steady weight.
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    I've done something like this before and managed to cut some weight. The rule I used is no *starchy* carbs after 4 pm. It works but it's not something I was able to keep up for a long period of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asriel
    I was just reading an interview with Hugh Jackman regarding his exercise regime for the new X-Men movie. He stated that he gets up at 4am to eat egg whites, trains for an hour and a half a day and doesn't eat carbs after midday.

    I already train for something like that and there's no fucking way I'm getting up at 4am without having to find a new Girlfriend but how feasible is it to not eat any carbs after Midday?

    If I'm doing an hour and a half of Jits in the evening, will I suffer if I don't get some carbs before hand?
    I tried a fairly strict paleo diet for a few months (not a zero carb diet, but no grains, bread, pasta, potatoes or sugar, only fresh fruit and vegetables allowed, lots of other rules about types of fat allowed and being very strict about additives and synthetic processing).


    By fairly strict, I mean I still drank red wine a couple of nights a week, but reduced my alcohol intake and avoided beer and spirits (as recommended in the book).

    This is my anecdote of what happened to me:-

    1) I seemed to maintain my 1rm in my lifts, and seemed to have the same aerobic stamina for 30 minute+ sessions on the jogging/elipitical, but my muscular endurance dipped quite dramatically. For example, the maximum number of pressups I could do basically halved after a week of eating so much less carbohydrate.

    2) I lost weight dramatically in the first three weeks (mostly fluid loss I would've thought).

    3) After about 2 weeks, my muscular endurance came back, and actually surpassed it's previous level. At this stage, the weight loss stabilised at a steady fat loss-level of a couple of pounds a week. I felt energetic and good.

    The literature on this type of diet by it's proponents claim that the human body has to get used to utilizing fatty acids rather than carbs, and in the first couple of weeks there's a dip in glycogen which is fatiguing until the body 'switches gear' and then you'll feel better. My anecdotal experience chimed with this.

    This is why I don't still do it now:-

    Its fucking expensive and awkward trying to get all of your calories from fresh lean meat, fish, nuts and fresh fruit and vegetables. I tried to be absolutely as economical as possible, and my food expenditure still more than doubled. Whilst it's very easy to make a tasty and satisfying meal this way, when you're not at home it's often very hard to get a meal that doesn't come with bread, pasta or potatoes. You can ask them to leave it out in a restaurant, but if you're just quickly shopping for something cheap to microwave at work, it all comes with bread, potatoes, rice, pastry or pasta.

    So no, I think you can adapt to not having bread etc.. in your diet (and even be physically better off without them) as long as you get the enough of the right sort of fat down, but it's taxing to sustain.
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    Posted On:
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    Thanks for the input guys.

    My plan is to have my complex carbs in the morning - Bagels, Cereals, pasta etc with a source of protein.

    Around midday I'm going to have something like a little Pasta and then only get carbs from my post-workout shake and what is found within fruit and vegetables (which is quite low if I remember correctly)
    " The reason elite level MMAists don't fight with aikido is the same reason elite level swimmers don't swim with their lips." - Virus

    " I shocked him with my skills on the ice becuase Wing Chun is great for hockey fighting." - 'Sifu' Milt Wallace

    "Besides, as you might already know (from Virus, for example) - there's only 1 wing chun and it sucks big time" - Tonuzaba

    "Even when I'm promising mayhem and butt-chicanery, I'm generally posting with a smile on my face." - Sochin101

    "That said, if he blocked my hip on a drop nage, I would extend my leg into a drop tai Otoshi and slam him so hard his parents would die." - MTripp

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