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    "Lima Lima is supposed to be a synthesis of polynisian (sp) fighting techinques and its founder is a notorous hard ass, so they might teach something that is quite combat effective"

    ****, i got that all wrong. I was thinking Lama Pai.

    i remember that Hawaiin style from some mags from years ago...they have sea animal technique names like dolphin, and crab.

    dont remember to much about the style itself, however.

    Be careful with JKD, it can be the biggest pile of crap known to man if the instructor is not competent.

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    Nihilanthic,

    Poison Hand just means they train vital point striking. a classic eagle claw technique is the throat grab done with the first two fingers and the thumb.

    The style really requires extreme hand and finger conditioning, the likes of which is not often undertaken in this day and age. Kinda like Tiger Claw or Hand Spear techniques.

    I certainly would not even consider such training. it has potentially long term crippling effects on the hands.

    Pan Quin Fu is one example, he trains the Iron Fist. That is OLD SCHOOL.


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    Originally posted by kuntaokid

    Isshinryu i do have some experience with. It is an efficient and practical system of martial arts. an interesting point is that Isshinryu uses the vertical fist like Wing Chun.

    Isshin-ryu is highly instructor dependant. Check to see how many tournanment trophies the school has and how old the trophies are. I'm in the SE US "cradle" of Isshin-ryu. What I learned and what they are taaching today are vastly differant creatures.

    FWIW, the Isshin-ryu vertical punch is the Naga punch from Serak, not the vertical punch of Wing Chun. Thmb position and all.

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    Originally posted by grimel
    FWIW, the Isshin-ryu vertical punch is the Naga punch from Serak, not the vertical punch of Wing Chun. Thmb position and all. [/B]

    How exactly does the Naga punch differ from the verticle punch of WC?


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    "FWIW, the Isshin-ryu vertical punch is the Naga punch from Serak, not the vertical punch of Wing Chun. Thmb position and all."

    yep, should have been more clear on that.

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    Kuntaokid, who's that kid doing Cloud-hands?

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    Originally posted by Amp
    How exactly does the Naga punch differ from the verticle punch of WC?


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    Naga punch

    The thumb on top makes the fist more structurally sound. IIRC, it adds 1 tendon in oppostition, stabilizing the wrist. All I "know" is it works better after it is learned properly.

    KTK,

    I'm guessing you've been out of IR longer than I have (20yrs) so minor transgressions can be forgiven. Besides I've been working with a 3rd dan IR who's started in my serak class. What' he "knows" is abominal. If he tried to fight using Isshin-ryu he'd get murdered by any bar brawler.

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    Thumb position and all?? hmm... just give me something to elbow, knee, stomp and mount and that's all i need.....just don't take that out of context, guys lol.. leaves me open to punishment..

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    Hold up, dude.. you mean you punch with your thumb ON TOP of your fist?? Don't u worry about breaking your thumb? After all, it is just hanging out there.

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    Originally posted by shemfu
    Hold up, dude.. you mean you punch with your thumb ON TOP of your fist?? Don't u worry about breaking your thumb? After all, it is just hanging out there.
    As opposed to just hanging out on the side of the fist in a "normal" type of fist? It's pressing down on the top of the index finger.

    FWIW, I rarely punch anything unless my wrists are wrapped, but if I were to punch someone I'd have my thumb on top

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