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  1. Lone Wind is offline

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    12/23/2008 7:19pm


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    Northern Shaolin vs Ex-wrestler...

    Hey i gotta lil story for ya...

    so just this Sunday night i was with a few guy friends (and 1 lady friend). We were all doing what we would usually do when we hang out, among these friends i have 2 close friends. The first is a lightweight who has been doing Northern Shaolin kung fu at an awesome good school with sparring and a very intimidating but formal teacher, the second is a light/middleweight skateboarder who had background wrestling experience a few years back and really not that bad. They get to the usualy striking vs grappling argument, basically "pfft a good roundhouse to the face would take down any grappler". One thing leads to another Shaolin challenges Grappler.

    The fight went something like this... Grappler vs Striker starting in regular stance, Striker uses two fast roundhouse kicks, keep in mind grappler was already intimidated from the beginning because he doesnt know what kung fu has and is a very defensive fighter, grappler waits for another kick and tackles at strikers legs. Striker has no ground experience, struggles for a little bit but ends up not being able to win. Grappler wins.

    Sorry no video evidence, i just wanted to post this to show more people that if you have no ground experience you most likely wont win most fights. Im not at all trying to put down Shaolin, in fact my Shaolin friend is great at what he does and he's not a beginner at all.
    Bullshido has made me more realistic in my martial arts training and i'de like to thank them for it with this story i just posted. i dont got a bunch of money for BJJ classes so for the past few months i just mess around with some BJJ videos i saw and i practiced some simple moves against some (bigger) friends of mine. The very ending of this story being that after i let my grappler friend rest he challenged me and i beat him all 3 rounds and we went to the ground all 3 rounds... but ill get into more detail of that upon request.

    So thanks Bullshido :eatbabies
  2. NJM is offline
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    12/23/2008 7:29pm


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    He had zero sprawl ability after "sparring" at his school all the time?

    What ruleset were they sparring under at the Northern Shaolin school?
  3. Lone Wind is offline

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    12/23/2008 7:40pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by NJM
    He had zero sprawl ability after "sparring" at his school all the time?

    What ruleset were they sparring under at the Northern Shaolin school?
    His school spars alot but mainly its ALWAYS strike vs strike, and in the match the grappler got him in a crappy rear naked choke and it was the end of it.
    Rules were basically no hits below the belt, no clawing, biting etc.... things along those lines.
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    12/23/2008 10:01pm


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    He probably didn't anticipate the shoot.

    When I trained in Kung Fu, the possibility of a grappling specialist shooting for your legs or hips was not considered very seriously, and never trained against. You train as you fight, so even if the Shaolin guy had lots of sparring experience, it would have done him no good if the sparring didn't involve [good] take-down defences.
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    12/23/2008 11:41pm


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    Yep.

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    12/24/2008 12:21am


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    Quote Originally Posted by NJM
    He had zero sprawl ability after "sparring" at his school all the time?

    What ruleset were they sparring under at the Northern Shaolin school?
    Am under the impression that TMA sparring, if effective, tends to be San Da. Which basically means you just have to keep on your feet for a few seconds before the grapple gets broken up.
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    12/24/2008 1:02am


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    Quote Originally Posted by PRC4Eva
    Am under the impression that TMA sparring, if effective, tends to be San Da. Which basically means you just have to keep on your feet for a few seconds before the grapple gets broken up.
    TMA? You mean traditional chinese martial arts only, right?

    If he had a Sanda background he would indeed know how to sprawl or do standing grappling.
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    12/24/2008 1:08am


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    Were there any elbows thrown to the spine?
  9. Lone Wind is offline

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    12/24/2008 2:44am


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    actually him being a shaolin monk, paralyzed his grappling opponent seconds after he won. he then executed a 5 finger 7 toe death strike to his clavicle... it was like watching the mona lisa get painted LIVE.

    but really more than likely because he trains the majority against strikes he was used to that...ONLY strikes, if i wanna be quite frank his grappling skills arent really much desired. His skills defending and attacking with strikes are over average but that doesnt win your fight all the time. On the other hand this was only 1 fight, i could ask them to fight again under the same ruleset and see who wins more fights, OR i could just leave it as it is...

    Suggestions?
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    12/24/2008 3:36am


     Style: Wrestling, Judo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Wind
    actually him being a shaolin monk, paralyzed his grappling opponent seconds after he won. he then executed a 5 finger 7 toe death strike to his clavicle... it was like watching the mona lisa get painted LIVE.
    Very nice.
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