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  1. Heartsbane is offline

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    Tien Lung Kung Fu

    Tien Lung Kung Fu aka Heavenly Dragon Kung Fu

    http://www.tienlungkungfu.com/kungfuhome.html

    I was pointed out to this website by a friend and he said that whoever ran that place is a master of Shaolin. The website only has two working pages however so I will have to wait and see if theres anymore more evidence I can find when they update it.

    1. Fukien Shaolin Tai Chi Chuan:

    Does not exist at all, Fukien is not anywhere near the Shaolin Temple and where does tai chi fit into this?. Here are some maps on the locations

    Location of Fukien

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Fujian.svg

    Location of Shaolin Temple(on a mountain)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Song

    2. The Tiger and Dragon seem to both have "power" and the Snake and the Leopard both have "speed"

    3. In the curriculum page they also say they provide mental conditioning by ending each class with meditation.

    It's not much evidence seeing as the site has only two pages, I will update the evidence as the site gets updated.
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    Posted On:
    12/15/2008 10:22pm

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    Um...Yeah, you do know that there were several Shaolin temples before the Communist take over?

    Since you like to quote wiki here you go:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_Kung_Fu

    "The Southern Shaolin Temple in Fukien Province was sometimes known as the snake temple. Snake style kung fu was practiced at this temple as well as dragon kung fu and praying mantis kung fu. Fukien temple was a refuge for the Henon Temple monks when that temple was destroyed. With them they brought all their martial knowledge they had."

    The other thing is that leopard and snake are both known for their speed. Tiger for strength and ferocity, Dragon for power/might and wisdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by O-Mega Tree O-Mega Tree
    Um...Yeah, you do know that there were several Shaolin temples before the Communist take over?

    Since you like to quote wiki here you go:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_Kung_Fu

    "The Southern Shaolin Temple in Fukien Province was sometimes known as the snake temple. Snake style kung fu was practiced at this temple as well as dragon kung fu and praying mantis kung fu. Fukien temple was a refuge for the Henon Temple monks when that temple was destroyed. With them they brought all their martial knowledge they had."

    The other thing is that leopard and snake are both known for their speed. Tiger for strength and ferocity, Dragon for power/might and wisdom.
    Really? I need to check that. However it still does not tell me where Tai chi comes into all of this
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heartsbane
    Really? I need to check that. However it still does not tell me where Tai chi comes into all of this
    Tai Chi came from the Taoists not the Buddists (which the Shaolin were/are), although there is a very cool Shailin style of Tai Chi that was developed much later which is not taught outside the temple, at least it wasn't when i saw the demo back in '95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbiter
    Tai Chi came from the Taoists not the Buddists (which the Shaolin were/are), although there is a very cool Shailin style of Tai Chi that was developed much later which is not taught outside the temple, at least it wasn't when i saw the demo back in '95
    I was going to let him discover that on his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heartsbane
    1. Fukien Shaolin Tai Chi Chuan:

    Does not exist at all, Fukien is not anywhere near the Shaolin Temple and where does tai chi fit into this?. Here are some maps on the locations

    Location of Fukien

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Fujian.svg
    It would not be uncommon for Fukien to contain a Taiji shcool, not neceserily associated with Shaolin.

    However, Fukien DID have many Shaolin experts. They are the same ones that migrated to Okinawa, and are most likely the 13 Chinese families mentioned in the Bubishi as having taught the Okinawan locals their martial arts. Not sure if they had an actual temple, and don't want to pull this one off the top of my head. Will have to do a bit of digging in my library.

    Now, the problem as I see it, is this guy claiming to be Northern Shaolin on his site.
    http://www.tienlungkungfu.com/kungfuhome.html
    Fukien is southern.

    I'd be interested to see some videos of the class.

    Quote Originally Posted by O-Mega Tree
    Um...Yeah, you do know that there were several Shaolin temples before the Communist take over?
    On that note, a while back, I got my hands on Nei Jia Quan, a book of interviews with masters of Taiji, Bagua, and Xing-I. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1556435061
    There, one Gabriel Chin
    (http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/...roducts_id/167)
    mentions that when the communists took over, they created Chen village as a tourist attraction for anyone wishing to find "authentic Taiji." In his own words, he visited the place over 60 years ago, and saw mainly Shaolin experts.

    I find myself extremely skeptical, but you never know. Anyone with any knowlege of this? Care to verify?

    On a side note, does anyone else find it deeply annoying every time one of these "grandmasters" claims to be the first non-Chinese student to EVER be accepted by a Chinese master for the first time in history?
    http://www.tienlungkungfu.com/kungfuaboutus.html

    He seems to be recognized by something called the World White Dragon Kung Fu Society.
    Google search brought up these links:
    http://martialartscomplex.com/page11.html
    www.hometown.aol.com/whitedragonson/index.html

    Sigung Thornson or Tien Lung doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere on the first site.
    The page did offer a link to a White Dragon Warrior Society.
    http://pailum.org/ which fails to load every time I try.

    So far a dead end.
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    The only other reference to Sigung Thorson I was able to find, is this:
    http://www.dragonslist.com/discussio...kung-fu-8.html
  8. Ronin.74 is online now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humanzee

    The page did offer a link to a White Dragon Warrior Society.
    http://pailum.org/ which fails to load every time I try.

    So far a dead end.
    This is the key word when anything regarding Pai Lum is involved. Go to the Wiki article for Pai Lum and you'll see what I mean.
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    Posted On:
    12/16/2008 9:06pm

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    how come alot of Chinese Kung Fu school always use "dragon" shitload of time? White dragon society, dragon palm, learn the way of the dragon, what the ****?
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    Posted On:
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    So is this a MABS investigation? I think this thread should be moved to the Chinese Style Subforum
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