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I have trained with Jeff Hall. I first met him when I took a few NRA Law Enforcement instructor schools. Jeff Hall was one of the instructors that the NRA sent to train other LE instructors. He was knowledgeable, easy to get along with, and had some good drills - that I have added to my favorites. I also like how he tends to combine traditional martial arts concepts to practical shooting. It makes the training more interesting, instead of the same old tired stuff. Jeff Hall also is a frequent guest speaker at IALEFI (International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors).
I have participated in this training and have been awarded a brown belt in Hojutsu. The pistol shooting tests consist of Chuck Taylor's Combat Handgun Master test. The times are adjusted to match the rank being tested for. Jeff Hall is a strong believer in COL Jeff Cooper's "Modern Technique" and insists on the Weaver Stance during these drills.
Mas Ayoob was in my class - and wrote an article that was published in the Dec 2010 issue of BlackBelt magazine. BTW, I found Mas Ayoob to be easy to work with as well.
As a martial artist, I am not very traditional anymore. I am the same about firearms. I have enormous respect for COL Jeff Cooper's Modern Technique. However, I do not follow 100% of his concepts. As both Jeff Cooper and Jeff Hall like to state, they teach "A" way not "THE" way. Hojutsu taught by Soke Jeff Hall has strong traditional influences that might not be for everyone. However, I have great respect for this art and I am proud to be associated with this training.
If you are a martial artist as well as trained in firearms, I highly suggest training in Soke Jeff Hall's Hojutsu. There is nothing else like it and his credentials are both impressive and verifiable. If you are (like me) not a traditionalist, you will still see and enjoy the value of this training.
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Posted On:
1/21/2011 2:44pm--
How is it possible that someone else promoted him to 10th Dan in his own art? I would want to see some technique videos, and a price list, before giving it much consideration.
If I was that serious about combat training, I'd train Sambo with Aaron Fields (in Seattle, WA) or BJJ with Roy Dean (in Bend, OR) and make regular trips to Thunder Ranch. -
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1/21/2011 3:36pm--
Hojutsu isn't a ryu, it's merely warfare with firearms (gunnery), specifically and academically refers to these types of weapons:

The website linked in the first post has several red flags for me.
He calls himself Soke
He's taken the concept of a Japanese system of gunnery and made something entirely modern and entirely different from what Hojutsu actually represented.
Japanese Gunnery techniques were additional to any previously taught Ryu IE Jujutsu and other systems alive at that era. There wasn't a belt system attached to it.
Whilst the founder of Hojutsu may well be skilled and knowledgeable. Being inducted into a martial arts hall of fame, claiming a 10th dan and title of Soke is a FUCKING BULLSHIT marketing ploy."To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
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Most of the things that bothered Rock Ape also bothered me. The OP is over 2 years old, and I considered deleting the necro, but I think it had enough content to be worth keeping. Besides, I am interested in what others think of this. My opinion is that the combination of TMA in a kimono and shooting is perfectly suited for stripping the wallets of many middle aged RBSD nerds. Throw in some Kata, and you got yourself a stew.
In the spirit of trying not to let first impressions distort my objectivity too much, I looked for videos of this guy online, but didn't find anything on a cursory glance. I'm skeptical, but I imagine the guy can shoot."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal -
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1/21/2011 5:40pm
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Well, this is why I don't post to these things very often. I know the guy and I am willing to put myself out there and put in a good word for him. It seems that I can always find cyber-space "experts" that seem to only look for a way to sound self-important.
I don't know where the RBSD got inserted into this. Was that in the original article? I might have missed it. The hojutsu that I have done was just a different approach to training - that might appeal to some people. What is this "I would go find someone else I heard is better" bullshit? Jeff Hall offers training. His credentials are good. He has submitted this art for scrutiny - to associations that accept or deny inclusion of new martial arts. If firearm training - using the traditional approach to obtaining martial art rank is not for you, then skip it. It is that simple.
I found this reference to Hojutsu on Bullshido. I realize there are all kinds of "food-court Ninjas" that ghost their way into online DVD sales. I put myself forward and spoke up for Jeff Hall. He has legitimate firearm and martial arts credentials. If you don't like his approach to training, fine. There is no need to be unprofessional if you don't like it.
It seems that this website is used as a forum to promote self interest and slam competitors. If that is your goal, knock your self out. You will only make yourself look more illegitimate. This entire website looses credibility when your only goal is to slander a good man.
I am a 20 year US Army veteran with 7 years on jump status (Airborne). I am a combat veteran with service in 8 different countries. I have firearm INSTRUCTOR credentials from FLETC (Artesia), Dept of Energy, NRA LED, Gunsite, Surefire, John Farnam, Gabe Suarez, and more. I have a Shodan in Goju, a brown belt in BJJ, am a former AAU boxer, and a Level 2 Army combatives instructor. I am am not the baddest guy around but I know what good training looks like.
Hojutsu is NOT for everyone, but it is not bullshit either. More importantly Jeff Hall is NOT trying to milk money from middle aged men's wallets. If he is in your area, consider training with him. If you are only looking for an excuse for a bad attitude, I suggest you don't show up. If you do show up, I suggest you act professional and bring your "A" game, because YES - he can shoot very well.
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Posted On:
1/21/2011 6:04pm
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Use the below thread to request a military tag:
The Official Tag Request Thread - Throwdown Fists, Expert Tags, etc. - No BS MMA and Martial Arts -
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Welcome to bullshido. So, why don't you pay for the advertising package? That way, you can post what you want and no one can have a dissenting opinion.
As to your appeal to authority I do thank you for your service. That is sincere because, I enjoy the internet and other things because of people that served. Two of the people you find "cyber-space "experts" that seem to only look for a way to sound self-important" have served as well. In other words we have geniuses that believe in Scientology, Mormonism, ghosts, Frank Dux, Aliens and whatever else. All the accolades and experience in the world doesn't mean someone is automatically immune to BS.
No, I am not saying the guy is BS just that the Soke HoF is a Red Flag. All of that military service and I would think you would have a tougher skin over internet words. Two days in a row of people getting upset and telling people to show up at their instructors school? Unless you are Mr. Hall, issuing passive aggressive challenges is quite reprehensible.The hood mentality is crippling disease, that attacks your nervous system. It makes you nervous of the system. Gangsters and hood rats are especially susceptible to this growth stunting mentality. The hood is where I'm from, but it's not what I am. The hood is where I'm from, but it's not what I am. --Keith David--Ice Cube
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1/21/2011 6:54pm
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So I guess MY opinion is not welcome on Bullshido. Welcome indeed. I spoke up for Jeff Hall. Period. That clearly was not welcome here.
I posted to demonstrate that Jeff Hall is NOT "Scientology, Mormonism, ghosts, Frank Dux, Aliens and whatever else".
No one is advertising anything. I did NOT begin this thread.
As for passive/aggressive, I clearly made no challenges. You can try to make it look otherwise, but that is not the case. I suggested you try a course. If you think it might be crap, take the pepsi challenge and form your own opinion. Then again, that is not your goal, is it?
Interesting that YOU have mentioned a thick skin. You seem to be missing it yourself. You can dish it out though. I think it is obvious what you are trying to accomplish here. There is clearly an agenda here on Bullshido.
BTW, I think Clint Smith will be interested to hear that Thunder Ranch was used to slam Jeff Hall. I don't think he would like that very much. Maybe, he will be passive/aggressive too. Tell him I said hello. -
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Posted On:
1/21/2011 7:13pm--
Dear den5coat,
I rarely disagree with IIF but I have to clarify and say that buying an advertising package will not actually protect you from criticism or questions.
All signing on with an advertising package does is give you eyeballs and clicks while showing that you actually give a **** about the state of Martial Arts and it's public image and are willing to help do something about it.
I realize of course IiF was responding to the below dribble, which is a defense tactic used more times than I can count here on Bullshido.
Which is odd in a way.
Originally Posted by den5coat
den5coat,
Is it wrong to ask questions and bring to light things that are questionable when someone steps up and presents themselves as something extraordinary, new, or even "traditional" ?
What is so vile about thinking and exploring information openly presented and made to inform the reader?



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Hojutsu-Ryu, the martial art of shooting