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  1. Portillo is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    Why crazy? Do they claim to have them, or do they actually sell them?


    Grammatical pedantry aside, MuscleTech is a good company. They sell their stuff. Perhaps you might want to refer to their products, as if they are good. They have fat burners to muscle builders, and they are, more or less good.


    Your question of whether "Muscletech company" is "any good" is an open-ended question. Here you are asking people to do the research for you. If you are interested in keeping the question to be on topic to this thread which you make, I suggest you do your research and see those products made by Muscletech that are being marketed as "stacks" and muscle builders.

    Then mentioned them here so that people can answer specific questions. Better yet, study their nutritional content so that you can actually see what they are made up (most of them are cocktails of vitamin B complex, dextrine, maltodrexin, creatine and nitrix oxide combined with herbal extracts and stuff.)
    I went to the website and checked it out. But i always prefer the opinion of the ppl on here, after all theres such much gimmicks in the supplement industry.
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    I want to underline something for you from TEM's post...

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    If you are interested in keeping the question to be on topic to this thread which you make, I suggest you do your research and see those products made by Muscletech that are being marketed as "stacks" and muscle builders.

    Then mentioned them here so that people can answer specific questions.
    If you ask about specific products/ingredients, you'll probably get much more useful responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Midget Hitler Santa
    I have tried prohormones for the first time recently. [ ... ] my strength and recovery is through the rood.
    Any product recommendations? Downsides? Side effects?
    “Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4
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    How much has your recovery improved, BMDS? I've been looking for something for recovery myself.
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    Btw people have reported failing AAS tests due to prohormones. Most recently read about Bold* causing boldenone to be found in the system up to 6 months later.

    *I think, can't quite remember the product name.

    This is important to bear in mind if you could be tested due to pro competition rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H TO THE IZZO
    Uh, okay, to spell it out...

    "Goal #1: Ignore previous shitty post." referred to this one (the post directly before mine). I bear a grudge against people who try to conflate sporting ethics with biochemistry, and my remark about IGF-1 was more than just being contrary for the sake of being contrary (or as you put it, being a dick) - it was an attempt to keep things from going down that road. (Which succeeded, although not in the manner I'd expected.)

    I also think it's a fair comment in its own right. I was thinking of the following when I made it:


    -Sevilla, "Hypertrophy and Hyperplasia: Adaptations of Muscular Tissue to Various Resistance Training Protocols" (PDF)

    Now, that's from a five-year-old literature review, so it's not beyond dispute. And that leads into another issue...

    You know, your advice that I not be a dick is solid. And your suggestion that I research PCT and bloodwork for myself is fine too. As a matter of fact, I did - before receiving said suggestion.

    This post (briefly) lays out my hypothesis for mid-cycle (that is, before PCT) gynecomastia.
    After making that post, I decided to look into things further. I hit up Wikipedia, which led me to this article - which may or may not be credible, but it's got a decent reference list for further reading.

    What I found interesting about the latter is the broadening from what I'd typically think of as PCT (kick-starting endogenous testosterone production) to things like using aromatase inhibitors and chemicals that bind to estrogen receptors.

    Now, perhaps this is naive of me, but I'd be inclined to think that if you want to slow down the testosterone-estrogen shunt, the most opportune time to do so would be while testosterone levels are elevated - during the cycle, not after it, when said shunt should be effectively inactive. And at this point, "post-cycle therapy" becomes a misnomer.

    It has also been documented that various physiological factors affect said shunt - one example would be obesity. This is enough to persuade me that BudoMonkey's statement that you took exception to, in the context of his follow-up:



    ... may have some merit. And this is why I asked for evidence to support your counterclaim:



    Post-cycle therapy - unless, as previously noted, it's a misnomer - won't take effect until... post-cycle.
    Watching estrogen levels during a cycle will not have any effect without acting on what you see.
    And remember that different people respond differently to chemical interventions. So what if, for a variety of feasible reasons, the estrogen levels imply that the appropriate action to avoid gyno is to end the cycle early? You could argue that that would technically "negate" gyno, but it would also "negate" the anabolism that is the point of taking steroids.

    Maybe you've taken all of this into account when you made your claim. If you have, it'd be mutually beneficial for you to document your research on the subject - your diligence is highlighted, and everyone else has the opportunity to benefit from your efforts.
    Me using the term PCT itself is my mistake. I currently use Nolvadex to combat my elevated estrogen levels, which were at 60 for my original blood work. I am under Doctor supervision and instructed to to take this daily, even before PCT. My last PCT consisted of HCG, and Nolvadex. As of last blood work, my estrogen was at 15, and testosterone 1100ng/dl.

    Not bad for the second cycle of HRT, as I'm only taking 1ml a week of Deca and Cyp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SifuAbel
    And just how long have you been juicing? :cwm10:
    About 3 months now doing HRT. Part of my rehab since I blew my shoulders out in July.

    You still looking for excuses?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    What were your pre-cycle testosterone levels, if I may ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by H TO THE IZZO
    What were your pre-cycle testosterone levels, if I may ask?
    425ng/dl

    Quality of life for me has gone up in leaps and bounds. I'm not tired after a long day at work, I train twice a day, and when I get back to Florida, will be back on the mats for my purple this year. I've done cycles over the years, mostly to just get big, and this time, it's specifically for HRT. Have I gotten stronger, bigger? Absolutely. Recovery is through the roof, and anyone who says being amped isn't an unfair advantage is lying. Because it is, without a doubt.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    Glad to hear you got the HRT with your doc. My previous PCP was not too keen of really listening to my request to at least consider that option. Cycling between tribulus and novaldex helps me sleep somewhat, but I hope my new PCP helps me out on this.
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