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  1. Portillo is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    Yeah, I never get the same gyno-to-roid link either.

    gyno could be caused by seriously missing (or fucking up) the PT over and over. But that'd be the fault of the user, not of steroids per say. The likes of Jay Cutler and Ron Coleman surely are as diligent in not fucking up as they are in pumping iron as they get ready for their comps.

    It's like everything. I could take pepto bismol for stomach age, but overdo it and have my ass on needles with a major case of diarrhea. But that'd be me being a retard and not on the pepto :tard:

    If it ain't cuz of the wifey who wants none of it, I would have tried it already. HT is the next choice if I get a doc willing to write me a prescription.

    To the OP, a couple of members on this board have use steroids for a variety of reasons, some sport-oriented, others as HRT. A few caveats aside, their reviews have been positive.

    I completely dislike your thread because it makes the assumption that a negative side effect is solely the domain of steroids and that other forms of *natural* supplements are inherently safer or without side effects.

    For Christ's sake, I can find side effects to aspirin, ibuprofen, alka seltzer, even beans, coffee or chamomile tea. Everything has the potential of having a side effect when used incorrectly or for the wrong reasons.

    Furthermore, and the reason I dislike this thread the most, is that

    1. You ask open ended questions (google what an open-ended question is if you don't know.)
    2. You don't explain the purpose of your query.
    3. The topic of steroids has been discussed a kazillion times here. Use the goddamn search function. This is not the first time I've told you about it.
    Sorry if i didnt explain it more, but i certainly didnt mean that any natural supplement is inherently healthy. I just thought that steroids had very obvious side effects. And yes i know that any drug can be bad for you if abused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Portillo
    Pretty much what Pandinha wrote
    Thank you. This is what I want to see in every thread that is asking for/implying comparisons between products or methods. In that case, nope, nothing comes better than steroids.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BudoMonkey
    To you and Macho both-

    At the supplement shop I talk to ALOT of guys with experience using steroids and prohormones, in some cases for years and years. In many instances that I've heard about, yes- these guys mess up the timing using their PCT. However, I have also talked to a bunch of guys (probably 10-15%) who swear by the fact that they used a PCT properly, either novaldex or some over the counter stuff, and because of the way their bodies processed it or whatever it just didn't have any effect.

    I know personally, I used the old-school androstene for about 6 months when I was 13 while I was boxing, did absolutely no PCT at all and had no side effects. It's like many hormone related drugs, I suppose, and it depends entirely on the user. I'd be interested in seeing an actual study about the plausibility and causation of gyno, and if I find a good one I'll send it to you guys in a PM or something, instead of this garbage thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    Thank you. This is what I want to see in every thread that is asking for/implying comparisons between products or methods. In that case, nope, nothing comes better than steroids.
    Ill keep that in mind from now on, thanks.
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    yes i know of a good supplement, its called hard fking work, roids are for cheats
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    Goal #2: Be contrary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pandinha
    IMHO, there is nothing better for gaining strength, size, and recovery than steroids.
    I'm going to go with IGF-1 for strength and size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H TO THE IZZO
    In other words, much like different anabolic steroid hormones have varying androgen-receptor affinity, they're also converted to estrogen at different rates. I think that any single side effect (that isn't a consequence of anabolism itself) can be worked around by judicious selection of chemical, but... right now, it looks like you're still stuck picking your poison.
    This is kinda what I was getting at without doing the research, haha. I was aware that there is always a risk of gyno with steroid use, I just hate the culture we have that think that you will ALWAYS get ALL of the side effects of EVERY steroid whenever you use one of them.

    I know people that think that as soon as you use steroids, you become bald with body acne and gyno. I always ask them "How come Jay Cutler has hair, no body acne on stage, and no visible breasts?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by BudoMonkey
    Well, anything else is much cheaper.

    Otherwise, and if you don't mind lactating from your new man-boobs, steroids are the real deal. The Cat's Pajamas.
    Stop propagating bullshit.

    Proper PCT's and watching estrogen levels will negate any type of gyno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qazza
    yes i know of a good supplement, its called hard fking work, roids are for cheats
    You only get to say that if you are a top-notch athlete and/or are constantly facing a severe disadvantage in competition against those who juice despite your best efforts dude.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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