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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonbrinn View Post
    the ORIGINAL question that started this was...do you teach judo at your isshin-ryu school...

    answer...yes he does. next thread please.
    Failed. The original questions laid out were these.
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    Mr. 1point2 is that you've only had 1 year of Judo and are now incorporating it into your Isshin-Ryu dojo? Really?

    If you are, could you please explain to me what you are teaching? Tachiwaza and Newaza? Kata? Just the basic principles?

    What rank do you hold?
    These were answered as follows:

    1. Judo was incorporated by someone else who has been dead for 20 years. It was compliant judo elements.

    2. 1.2 is teaching the Judo elements added into his art and practiced compliantly for a long time. He is trying to teach them in an alive manner now.

    3. He holds a green belt in Judo.

    The question I have tried to turn it to is, in general, how do people on this site feel about someone in a dead art trying to teach it in an alive manner.

    Cy Q. has concern that without formal training in an alive manner injuries will occur at a higher rate than necessary.

    Others see no problem with this. That is the main issue still around.

    You, Mr. Brinn, are just being a punk and trying to make this about you and how your "14 years of BJJ" means you are qualified to teach grappling. You have your own thread. Stay there please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonbrinn View Post
    you dog the system cause it is dead and when someone trys to add one of your hand-picked "special effective" systems you dog him more.
    Those systems are not hand picked, they proved their effectiveness through constant pressure testing.Why is this so impossible to understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonbrinn View Post
    OOOHHH...so this thread is about 1point2 as a person. I thought it was about what he was teaching and the systems involved and the whole "aliveness" factor.

    I bet you will get rid of this thread cause you are a coward with no answer to the underlying logic that is used to attack 1.2.....sorry that i came on here and started asking about the real reason for the attack....why doesnt someone just tell 1.2 that you guys just dont like him and there is no REAL arguement that anyone can discuss or that he has any hope of debating!
    We don't delete anything short of spam and pornography.

    As for 1point2, I don't think any of us have any issue with him personally, it's just that he's doing something that many on these forums feel isn't kosher with the ideas we try to promote. As I posted earlier, I'm torn on the issue.

    As far as debating, you're fucking retarded and all you're doing is projecting your own insecurities into a legitimate discussion and not contributing a damn thing to the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefron View Post
    I live in a non English speaking country.We learned English in elementary schools, and most of my classmates were picking it up very fast.In fact, by the end of my elementary education all of my classmates (save for one borderline retarded kid that got through school because of his parents) had better English than you do.
    вы retard

    we are all glad you made it thanks to your parents.

    try answering the questions and stop attacking the posters personally!


    My statement here is that any training is better than no training and training that moves forward and gets better in how it is trained trumps the idea of the safety verses years of knowledge to help it out first ideal....unless of course the training sub-par kills the practitioners...which is stupid (although also an option to solving the initial problem...lol)
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    Try starting a sentence with a capital letter for a change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonbrinn View Post
    now...back to the issue....

    can/should someone with limited knowledge take said knowledge to a system with no up-to-date understanding of that knowledge. what the hell would it hurt? you dog the system cause it is dead and when someone trys to add one of your hand-picked "special effective" systems you dog him more. it seems the only thing accepted here is submission to bullshido...heil bullshido!
    If you thought this was the issue, why the derail and dead horse arguments?

    The issues is not nit picking as I see it. Yes he is trying to add aliveness. The concern is whether one not trained in aliveness can successfully add aliveness to it. So far ONLY, and I repeat again, ONLY, Cy Q. has voiced what I see as a valid concern and a good reason as to why 1.2 should not be doing it. Others have yet to offer a reason of why he should be qualified to do it. That is what I am interested in hearing. Not your Diato Ryu or how butt hurt you are because we all think you over inflaited your credentials of "14 years of BJJ training." Again, stay in your own thread please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoonDog View Post
    If you thought this was the issue, why the derail and dead horse arguments?

    The issues is not nit picking as I see it. Yes he is trying to add aliveness. The concern is whether one not trained in aliveness can successfully add aliveness to it. So far ONLY, and I repeat again, ONLY, Cy Q. has voiced what I see as a valid concern and a good reason as to why 1.2 should not be doing it. Others have yet to offer a reason of why he should be qualified to do it. That is what I am interested in hearing. Not your Diato Ryu or how butt hurt you are because we all think you over inflaited your credentials of "14 years of BJJ training." Again, stay in your own thread please.
    I have not been notified that we all only got one thread thank you.

    the point is...i guess you would rather him train in something that he knows could be better without helping it get better due to the fact he is not up to your qualification standard....no i guess you are going to say he should leave the old system and only train judo right...or wait...maybe bjj?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonbrinn View Post
    Judo owes its survival to jujutsu...specifically Daito ryu...i wont comment more because training Daito ryu i am obviously biased...just do the research and you will see what i mean....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonbrinn View Post
    OOOHHH...so this thread is about 1point2 as a person. I thought it was about what he was teaching and the systems involved and the whole "aliveness" factor.
    Wow another fantastic leap in logic.

    Who is the topic of this thread?
    1point2

    What is being discussed?
    1point2's teaching methodology.

    What is the issue?
    The logic that 1point2 is using that makes him think, it is okay to teach Judo with 7 months of Judo training.

    Is this thread about 1point2?
    Yes.

    Is it about him personally?
    Nope.

    Did I say that it is about him personally?
    Nope. You did.


    I bet you will get rid of this thread cause you are a coward with no answer to the underlying logic that is used to attack 1.2
    Yep, I'm a coward. That doesn't negate anything I have said about your role in this thread.
    .....sorry that i came on here and started asking about the real reason for the attack....
    This is funny considering a post ago you told people to do some research. How about you follow your own advice. Better yet, how about you read the thread and see how this developed.

    why doesnt someone just tell 1.2 that you guys just dont like him and there is no REAL arguement that anyone can discuss or that he has any hope of debating!
    How about you read the thread. I see many people defending him. I see people attacking him. I see people torn admitting to being conflicted on the issue.

    Then there is you. An arrogant person who, has glossed over the entire thread to push his own agenda.

    You haven't bothered to read the thread. All you have done is add your bias, irrelevant arguments, and general arrogance to the thread.


    You are arguing with Judoka that outrank everyone on this website in Judo. You are telling people that have practiced longer than you have been alive tha,t they need to research their arts.

    Yep, I'm sorry to. In this thread, I have said so many negative things about the guy...oh wait.

    1point2 doesn't need your type of defense. I guess your next move will be to play in the TMA forums, trying to get an upswell of people to back you. You caught meI don't like 1point2. If you want that to happen, you need to read threads by Ronin, JFS USA, and Fighter Jones.

    You can't even get TMAers to side with you. That's sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonbrinn View Post
    i hope you are joking and not just a joke.
    im actually hoping you're joking when you insinuated you are actually teaching people...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason
    look...i only responded here on this thread cause the argument is the same. i READ the entire thread here...it evolved into this before me....i came on because i feel it is a good point.
    uhm no, you enteredthe thread spouting ridiculous crap actually.

    Quote Originally Posted by jason
    i only look bad to...and my students feel lucky actually as should you that i am here for you. youre welcome.
    im glad you are happy with yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by jason
    i HAVE trained Judo not just daito ryu...my background is not apart of this thread so why are you once again diverting from the actual question? (by the way my background is not in question it is factual and NOONE has made a validated claim to the contrary).
    How long did you train judo?
    your background might be factual as in that you have a diploma or something, but by the way you spout your crap its obvious to anyone with some understanding that you do not understand crucial points of martial arts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason
    now...back to the issue....

    can/should someone with limited knowledge take said knowledge to a system with no up-to-date understanding of that knowledge. what the hell would it hurt?
    Wow...you should know the answer to that if you were anything resembling a serious martial artist.
    okay n00b, i'll tell you: someone with a limited understanding introducing stuff will backfire.
    why?
    easy, as a teacher you must have encountered the ' but what if i do this?' student.
    Well if you have limited understanding you wont have an answer to those types and you look like a moron (well actually you would BE a moron).
    Also, its easier to learn later on in life with a clean slate then instead have to unlearn bad habits.
    It's dangerous for yourself and your integrity and its not benefitial and dishonest to your students( if they later on might switch to grappling for example) to teach them halfassed crap.
    They will feel tricked by you as an instructor.

    so..thats how it would hurt.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jason
    you dog the system cause it is dead and when someone trys to add one of your hand-picked "special effective" systems you dog him more. it seems the only thing accepted here is submission to bullshido...heil bullshido!
    Read the above again.
    now shut your stupid yap.

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