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  1. meguyiam is offline

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    11/29/2008 6:34pm

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    CQD-Navy SEALs approve of bullshido art?

    CQD or "Close Quarters defense", is the brainchild of some Duane Dieter. He invented this hand to hand combat system to be used by swat teams and special operations units yet he himself has no military or LE experience.

    As far as I know from non-classified information, the only military unit to train in it are the Navy SEALs. Here's a vid, try to spot the bullshido:

    http://uk.YouTube - Duane Dieter CQD Training

    Pay attention to the ninja stance at 2:26 and the ninja walk at 2:49. A lot of resemblance to the video below:

    http://uk.YouTube - Ninja Sentry Removal Techniques 1 of 5

    At 1:51 of the video you see the ninja walk... ..maybe Duane Dieter used to be an american ninjer just like his pal Ashida?

    They don't show a lot in the video but I think it's safe to say there should be more bullshit the deeper you dig. Has anyone here ever taken a course in CQD?

    What do you guys think? Bullshido?
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    Well , since they're not actually using the same walk I'd have to say WTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorpal
    Well , since they're not actually using the same walk I'd have to say WTF?
    Are you kidding me?

    You sure you checked the same clips in the same time frames as I mentioned?
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    The ninja video specifically calls it the "cross step walk" and the "ninja" does indeed cross his legs while he's stepping. The guy in the military video does not cross his legs.
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    11/29/2008 9:38pm

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    As mush as I respect Navy SEALs and think they're totally badass, I can't ignore the fact that CQD looks like bullshido...like, what's with the attackers at 2:20 falling like little girls, doesn't look like "alive" training to me, and no matter how deep you wanna go into denial, you can't ignore the ninja stance/ninja walk...

    Anyway, from what I heard, CQD is based on some kind of traditional martial art, I think it was some form of karate (which is known for it's reliability on the streets of course) but I could swear I saw some kung fu in there...
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    Looked like some interesting training to me. Looked like they had some Wing Chun in the striking style. I didn't see the ninja walk, looked more Wing Chun to me, with the center line thing going on. The rest of it looked like standard DT training.
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    With all due respect to SEALs and all military Spec Op types, what do they know about hand-to-hand combat? If a SEAL or SF soldier has to resort to hand-to-hand, they've already screwed the pooch. With marksmanship, parachuting, MOUT operations, language training, medical training, scuba diving, land nav, small craft skills, intel, etc., (stuff these guys train in all the time because they USE them all the time) how much time do they really have to learn martial arts?

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    Posted On:
    11/29/2008 10:29pm

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    ^^^^ what he said. If you need your h2h skills you and your team screwed up a long time ago.

    I had a thread about the h2h combat skills of the army (and other orgs) in the weapon and millitary forum. About 3-4 months ago you might want to read that thread.
    Sometimes you lose and sometimes the other guy wins.

    At this point I don't owe anybody an explenation.

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    11/29/2008 10:33pm

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    Yeah, my brother was an Army Ranger and now he is a cop. I can whip his ass any day. But when ever I bring it up, he shows me the but of his gun. That is how they fight.
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    11/29/2008 10:34pm

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    Ok...so....the 'ninjer walk' that you pointed out in the first vid IS similar to the one in the second vid. HOWEVER the important difference is that he DOESN'T cross his legs. That way he isn't easy to push over if the man he was approaching attempts to take him down. He keeps his center of balance low and never crosses his legs. Thus allowing him to maintain his balance much easier. If the ninjer in the second video was rushed during his little cross step maneuver...well, maybe he has some fancy ninjer movement that will allow him to regain his balance with his feet crossed that the rest of us don't know about.

    If the SEALs are using it, I would say there is definitely something too it. Maybe not the best, but probably works.
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