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  1. Dochter is offline

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    Originally posted by FingerorMoon?
    The public face of WC is that its a deadly chinese fighting art.
    that is represented by maniacs
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    "Deadly chinese fighting art"...as a practioner, I believe wing chun is a great striking style, as good as a striking style can be: grappling consists of another, entirely different set of techniques, not always entirely compatible with those of wing chun.

    Which is a damn good reason to learn grappling techniques, if possible. I, for one, never heard my sifu mentioning any "secret tricks"against grappling.

    You guys must remember that there is a lot of people selling this "deadly chinese fighting art" thing. Ergo, such an art must be unbeatable. This is bullshido, as we know.

    This is where the "public face"of the art comes from, in my opinion.
    That civilisation may not sink,
    Its great battle lost,
    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
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    Our master Caesar is in the tent
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    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
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    WingChunLawyer,
    I think you will find that the majority of Wing Chun practitioners on this site agree with me. And please, you may accuse me of trolling, but only if you recognize that the entire careers of the most prominent Wing Chun experts are entirely trolling....the entire martial arts world.
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    Originally posted by MiloNYC
    They just need some low line defense. I and most other BJJ guys I know have nothing but respect for MT guys because we've eaten our share of knees during the takedown. I think the basic principles of WC could be used to defend the takedown but they simply need to add the techniques and practice them. MMA style grappling is either new or rediscovered technology depending on how you look at it and WC was simply not designed with it in mind.
    The point is, many wing chun schools do not even practice any kind of sparring, much less takedown defenses. These people are too busy with political bickering and selling self help trash disguised as oriental wisdom instead of teaching combat techniqes as such.

    For a laugh, I recommend checking out the moy yat organization (just put "moy yat" on google), and then take a look at what they call "kung fu life".

    Sad, really.

    That said, I believe takedown defense should be part of the wing chun curriculum. Got to move with the times (personally, I fall back to my judo days when faced with grapplers, but wing chuners should learn it when possible).
    That civilisation may not sink,
    Its great battle lost,
    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
    To a distant post;
    Our master Caesar is in the tent
    Where the maps are spread,
    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
    A hand under his head.


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    Originally posted by The Wastrel
    WingChunLawyer,
    I think you will find that the majority of Wing Chun practitioners on this site agree with me. And please, you may accuse me of trolling, but only if you recognize that the entire careers of the most prominent Wing Chun experts are entirely trolling....the entire martial arts world.
    I agree with you, Wastrel, and I admit I was indulging in a bit of trolling myself. I just couldn't resist when you said ALL wing chun practioners are lunatics, that's all - even though I know you actually didn't mean it (I hope...).
    That civilisation may not sink,
    Its great battle lost,
    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
    To a distant post;
    Our master Caesar is in the tent
    Where the maps are spread,
    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
    A hand under his head.


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    Just doing my best to keep the good ones honest. It's a dirty job...
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    12/22/2003 9:26pm

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    Originally posted by The Wastrel
    Just doing my best to keep the good ones honest. It's a dirty job...
    ...but someone has to do it. I know how that goes, I am a lawyer in real life, too. :cool:
    That civilisation may not sink,
    Its great battle lost,
    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
    To a distant post;
    Our master Caesar is in the tent
    Where the maps are spread,
    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
    A hand under his head.


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    12/22/2003 9:56pm

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    Osiris, I believe sumotori do something similar to practice their own shoots. I saw a program on sumo training where the fighters were actually charging a tree - and not a small one.
    That civilisation may not sink,
    Its great battle lost,
    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
    To a distant post;
    Our master Caesar is in the tent
    Where the maps are spread,
    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
    A hand under his head.


    - W.B. Yeats
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    Originally posted by Osiris
    "I know one guy who moved his dummy away from the wall so he could practice a low shoot in it."

    What???? You either have a partner or you dont. If not, just shoot at nothing and perfect your form withougt some blocky ass dummy getting in the way.
    No I tried it a few times and it was okay. With a street double you are shooting with your head on the outside to avoid catching a knee. With the dummy there's the same space you are going for. If your head is too high or centered you run smack into the arms. Also lets you play around with shooting from different ranges. I would not make it a primary part of my training but if I was a WC practitioner and had a dummy it is certainly something I would work occasionally.
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    Originally posted by WingChun Lawyer
    Osiris, I believe sumotori do something similar to practice their own shoots. I saw a program on sumo training where the fighters were actually charging a tree - and not a small one.
    He is right this is a common sumo practice of using TEPPO (not the gun) They charge the tree/poles as well as practice hand slaps on it. Also some wrestler do practice shoots without a partner. In High school we used the football tackling dummies.

    On the subject of sumo I do find the shikodachi (sumo stance) very good against a shoot. You weight is low and stable and you lean forward placing your weight on them. Good if you want to meet someone head on. Now don't confuse this with some Karate styles that have shikodachi because they use it in a entirely different fashion.
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