Grips: tai otoshi/harai goshi v. shuai jiao zhi bie v. sambo front trip (?)

**Jack Rusher** · Posted On: 12/05/2008 3:06pm

N.B. Although I appreciate the helpful comments, my problems with this grip are intermittent and mainly to do with getting used to the structure of the collar/lapel on the Judogi vs the SJ jacket. My biggest personal frustration with the Judo grip-fighting is the quality of grip that the gi allows on the elbow and (especially) wrist. :sad:

Originally Posted by The Other Other Serge

I have enough French to have kept my Parisian romances straight and get decent table service; but this is mostly over my head.

Living in Paris forced the Froggish language upon me.

Originally Posted by The Other Other Serge

I've also tried using cable-pull weights but the feel is not nearly the same. There is a Shuai-Jao drill I've seen where you fold over a belt and snap it between your hands as you solo-drill a throw.

I tried the cable machine seoinage thing... meh. We did that belt exercise in SJ class, also the weird cast concrete kettlebells and the weight-at-the-end-of-a-pole. Good stuff. :thumbsup:

Originally Posted by Aging Hippie Liberal Douche

Did you have specific solo drills in mind to work on keeping a tight grip? If so color me interested.

We hang an old jacket from the ceiling and do pullups on it. Also, for those who can't do so many pullups, try hanging for time. One of the Judo BBs at Alliance recommends using an old belt as a handle for dumbbell exercises too.

**Mas** · Posted On: 12/05/2008 6:14pm

Originally Posted by Aging Hippie Liberal Douche

Did you have specific solo drills in mind to work on keeping a tight grip? If so color me interested.

Barring moar training?

Rock climbing works pretty well, especially if you aren't good at it (like me).

Also as JR said, pullups with gi, belts on weights are excellent ways to improve grip strength.

Unless you're talking about keeping a tight grip on a resisting partner (grip fighting, kumikata) then again, moar training.

**HappyOldGuy** · Posted On: 12/05/2008 6:19pm

Originally Posted by Mas

Unless you're talking about keeping a tight grip on a resisting partner (grip fighting, kumikata) then again, moar training.

^^^This. I do stuff for grip strength, but I've sort of made it my goal for the next couple of months to focus on not being sloppy and loose with my gripping.

**Mas** · Posted On: 12/05/2008 6:41pm

Solo drills for gripfighting? I personally don't know of any.

Masterclass book by Neil Adams on Grips is an excellent resource for gripfighting.

If you want to spend quite a bit of money there are grip fighting dvds. They are pretty damn expensive, but I hear are top quality. PM for details.

**jujutsu_guy** · Posted On: 12/27/2008 4:16pm

Yes a little bit. In uki otoshi, we spin off/pivot to the side and allow uke to fall through. In judo, it's straight back, in DZRJJ there is a pivot. Same result, different application.

Originally Posted by 1point2

Judo has a drop-knee "uki otoshi," but it's the wrong side to be a drop-knee tai-otoshi.

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/anima.../ukiotoshi.htm

Is DRJJ's version really opposite the Kodokan? I would be surprised and interested if so.