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    Quote Originally Posted by iwannaseevids
    I disagree the first rule of self defense is to get home safely - legality is defiantly secondary. The law is of no use if your dead

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    What a load of bullshit.
    Last edited by mrblackmagic; 11/26/2008 12:04pm at .
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    If you're not into training to be a competitive fighter, fine, more power to ya. If that's the case, MA is your hobby; Its something you do for fun, like bowling. Do not delude yourself: If you're not training to fight in the ring, your not training to defend youself. The *only* exception to this rule is regular streetfighting.

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    IMHO Rambamatic is right on the money.

    There's plenty of technical cross-over between training for self defense and training for "fighting" in the broad sense, which could include everything from boxing to traditional Japanese martial arts to modern MMA.

    The key difference is that a good self defense instructor will also seriously address and train the huge number of legal restrictions/variables and strategic options that are specific to "self defense" in the real world, but that have no part in orthodox MA or combat sport training programs.

    By the way, I detest the term "reality-based self defense".

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    I disagree with both kidspatula and rambamatic.

    kidspatula is partly wrong because there are more countries in the world then just the USA and usually they have strict anti gun laws.

    I agreed with rambamatic that its ok to practise ma';s eventhough you're not a fighter.
    but by not fighting you must realise that you miss out on the closest thing to a real life situation ad that is exactly what you'd like to know right?

    eventhough you know there are rules and there's a ref etc, your body responds pretty stressful to the whole situation, especially the first times you're in a ring and there's a guy in the opposite corner who is trained and his only goal in life at the moment is to beat the **** out of you.

    in short: you're both out of your league, let this thread die plz.

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    I will agree that one can be a skilled sport fighter, and have very bad instincts/reactions in a real confrontation.

    Case in point: The infamous JFS fiasco. Someday I'll make a detailed post on everything that's wrong with that.

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    To paraphrase rodney king of SBG fame:

    Training just for Self defense and not sparring is stupid. Anyone can pull a knife or a gun on you and all your training goes down the tube. Use sparring and competition for self growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threadicus Shiticus
    I agreed with rambamatic that its ok to practise ma';s eventhough you're not a fighter.
    but by not fighting you must realise that you miss out on the closest thing to a real life situation ad that is exactly what you'd like to know right?
    The stereotype of "RBSD" training falls seriously short of the mark in many cases. I've seen plenty of examples of that type of training that compare favorably to serious MMA training in terms of active resistance, aerobic and anaerobic endurance, stress induction etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleSoft
    I will agree that one can be a skilled sport fighter, and have very bad instincts/reactions in a real confrontation.
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    If you can't handle a known opponent in a ring with a restricted technique set, how do you hope to face the legions of heavily-armed vampire crackheads that apparently swarm the average American neighbourhood?

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